FBI Raids Manafort residence.

[greg nr]

I find that a laughable post.

First, no judge would ever admit that. To do so would see them kicked off the bench IMMEDIATELY.

Secondly, they do have a staff. The vast majority of simple warrants are approved and signed with ease. It's typically only the major cases that a judge actually calls the parties in and hears. If there is every any doubt, the judge in question will hold a hearing.

I think your post is made up bullshit. I've worked for a judge. It doesn't work that way AT ALL.

Hmm, so what you are saying is that in the vast majority of routine cases the staff does the review, makes a cover sheet with the recommendations, and the judge signs it without critical review? You also say the judges are overworked, but wouldn't admit it for fear of being dismissed? They wouldn't discuss it with anyone? Nobody? Hmmm. But for major cases, they make more time and actually spend time on a case? Hmmm.

Guess I wouldn't want to be in the routine column.

Interesting that.

 

[greg nr]

...to say nothing of district and municipal Court judges.

Or *gasp* public defenders.

 

[ttystikk]

Hmm, so what you are saying is that in the vast majority of routine cases the staff does the review, makes a cover sheet with the recommendations, and the judge signs it without critical review? You also say the judges are overworked, but wouldn't admit it for fear of being dismissed? They wouldn't discuss it with anyone? Nobody? Hmmm. But for major cases, they make more time and actually spend time on a case? Hmmm.

Guess I wouldn't want to be in the routine column.

Interesting that.

Yep. And guess where most of us fall?

 

[ttystikk]

Or *gasp* public defenders.

LOL right?!

 

[TacoMac]

Hmm, so what you are saying is that in the vast majority of routine cases the staff does the review, makes a cover sheet with the recommendations, and the judge signs it without critical review? You also say the judges are overworked, but wouldn't admit it for fear of being dismissed? They wouldn't discuss it with anyone? Nobody? Hmmm. But for major cases, they make more time and actually spend time on a case? Hmmm.

Guess I wouldn't want to be in the routine column.

Interesting that.

Now you're being stupid.

• You had a court date on the 1st. You didn't show. A bench warrant is issued for your arrest. The judge doesn't need to review that.
• You had 30 days to pay a fine. You failed to pay the fine. A warrant is issue for your arrest. The judge doesn't need to review that.
• Your lawyer made a deal with police that you would surrender yourself at 9:30 AM. By noon that day, you still haven't shown up. A warrant is issued for your arrest. The judge doesn't need to review that.
• You're wanting to search the house of a person for information related to an ongoing investigation when that person hasn't been part of the entity being investigated in months. You can damn well believe a judge is going to want to know why, and hear your probable cause argument before he signs off on it.

Stop being a moron.

 

[dagwood45431]

I find that a laughable post.

First, no judge would ever admit that. To do so would see them kicked off the bench IMMEDIATELY.

Secondly, they do have a staff. The vast majority of simple warrants are approved and signed with ease. It's typically only the major cases that a judge actually calls the parties in and hears. If there is every any doubt, the judge in question will hold a hearing.

I think your post is made up bullshit. I've worked for a judge. It doesn't work that way AT ALL.

This has become a legal battle of epic proportions! Honestly, I'm not sure which of you is correct (or corrector, to borrow a Bushism). It's the absolute certainty you both exhibit with each and every post that cracks me up.

 

[greg nr]

This has become a legal battle of epic proportions! Honestly, I'm not sure which of you is correct (or corrector, to borrow a Bushism). It's the absolute certainty you both exhibit with each and every post that cracks me up.

Hey, I only come to this site to learn to be a better grower. Tweaking the establishment apologists is just icing on the cake.

 

[dagwood45431]

Hey, I only come to this site to learn to be a better grower. Tweaking the establishment apologists is just icing on the cake.

There are "establishment apologists" and there are pragmatists wishing to change things from the inside out. The biggest difference between you and many of those you rail against comes down to a difference of opinion with regards to strategy. Many of the goals are the same, however.

 

[ttystikk]

Now you're being stupid.

• You had a court date on the 1st. You didn't show. A bench warrant is issued for your arrest. The judge doesn't need to review that.
• You had 30 days to pay a fine. You failed to pay the fine. A warrant is issue for your arrest. The judge doesn't need to review that.
• Your lawyer made a deal with police that you would surrender yourself at 9:30 AM. By noon that day, you still haven't shown up. A warrant is issued for your arrest. The judge doesn't need to review that.
• You're wanting to search the house of a person for information related to an ongoing investigation when that person hasn't been part of the entity being investigated in months. You can damn well believe a judge is going to want to know why, and hear your probable cause argument before he signs off on it.

Stop being a moron.

We're talking about SEARCH warrants. Try to stay on the topic. Your rambling just sounds like you're trying to distract people from the argument.

I know full well how busy things are, especially when it comes to Joe and Jane everyone.

 

[greg nr]

There are "establishment apologists" and there are pragmatists wishing to change things from the inside out. The biggest difference between you and many of those you rail against comes down to a difference of opinion with regards to strategy. Many of the goals are the same, however.

People keep accusing me of having a strategy. I don't.

I support more money to make sure honest judges and public defenders are available to protect the rights of the average citizen as strongly as the executive branch has the ability to prosecute. I support laws that prevent law enforcement over reach and corruption (yes, falsifying evidence is corrupt policing) and the assignment of resources to enforce that. I support enforcing the protections in the constitution.

I don't have a strategy to accomplish that. The only position I have that has come close to strategy is to vote in people who will make a positive change, even if you don't agree 100% with them. Stop sending our goals down the highway because you don't get it your way.

You can see cases every day where the justice system at all levels fails people. It doesn't work as described, unless you are rich or powerful. It's far too easy for a leo to get a search warrant, and the consequences for even openly deceitful claims don't exist. Nothing happens even to prosecutors who get caught either fabricating evidence or witholding evidence that would exonerate a defendent. It's happened so many times it isn't even noteworthy any more. People are still sitting in jail after DA;s were found to have acted illegally during the course of a trial.

That isn't right. The system doesn't work. Despite the protestations of a professor working within the system.

 

[dagwood45431]

People keep accusing me of having a strategy. I don't.

I support more money to make sure honest judges and public defenders are available to protect the rights of the average citizen as strongly as the executive branch has the ability to prosecute. I support laws that prevent law enforcement over reach and corruption (yes, falsifying evidence is corrupt policing) and the assignment of resources to enforce that. I support enforcing the protections in the constitution.

I don't have a strategy to accomplish that. The only position I have that has come close to strategy is to vote in people who will make a positive change, even if you don't agree 100% with them. Stop sending our goals down the highway because you don't get it your way.

You can see cases every day where the justice system at all levels fails people. It doesn't work as described, unless you are rich or powerful. It's far too easy for a leo to get a search warrant, and the consequences for even openly deceitful claims don't exist. Nothing happens even to prosecutors who get caught either fabricating evidence or witholding evidence that would exonerate a defendent. It's happened so many times it isn't even noteworthy any more. People are still sitting in jail after DA;s were found to have acted illegally during the course of a trial.

That isn't right. The system doesn't work. Despite the protestations of a professor working within the system.

I completely agree with you about the system failing people (mostly poor and brown people). IMO, completely reforming our criminal justice system should be one of the nation's top priorities. It's shameful (under a thin veneer of fairness).

 

[rkymtnman]

absolute

oh shit, not this argument again.
his/her teaching certificate should be revoked absolutely IMO.

 

[QtrNdaPuss]

That isn't right. The system doesn't work. Despite the protestations of a professor working within the system.

This will never end as long as we have privatized prisons. they want you o go to jail. innocent until proven guilty isn't real. justice is blind as long as you can pay for a blindfold.

 

[Fogdog]

People keep accusing me of having a strategy. I don't.

I support more money to make sure honest judges and public defenders are available to protect the rights of the average citizen as strongly as the executive branch has the ability to prosecute. I support laws that prevent law enforcement over reach and corruption (yes, falsifying evidence is corrupt policing) and the assignment of resources to enforce that. I support enforcing the protections in the constitution.

I don't have a strategy to accomplish that. The only position I have that has come close to strategy is to vote in people who will make a positive change, even if you don't agree 100% with them. Stop sending our goals down the highway because you don't get it your way.

You can see cases every day where the justice system at all levels fails people. It doesn't work as described, unless you are rich or powerful. It's far too easy for a leo to get a search warrant, and the consequences for even openly deceitful claims don't exist. Nothing happens even to prosecutors who get caught either fabricating evidence or witholding evidence that would exonerate a defendent. It's happened so many times it isn't even noteworthy any more. People are still sitting in jail after DA;s were found to have acted illegally during the course of a trial.

That isn't right. The system doesn't work. Despite the protestations of a professor working within the system.

Without reform, more money just means more jail cells get filled. The system needs to be reformed and silly sentencing laws cut. Institutional racism in justice system won't be addressed in your scenario either. Nope, we incarcerate a higher proportion of our society already. Prison guard unions are protecting the incarcerate now and ask questions later justice system too. No extra money for a corrupt system.

 

[rkymtnman]

Without reform, more money just means more jail cells get filled. The system needs to be reformed and silly sentencing laws cut. Institutional racism in justice system won't be addressed in your scenario either. Nope, we incarcerate a higher proportion of our society already. Prison guard unions are protecting the incarcerate now and ask questions later justice system too. No extra money for a corrupt system.

3 strikes and you're out was reagan's second worst idea behind trickle down econ.

 

[dagwood45431]

3 strikes and you're out was reagan's second worst idea behind trickle down econ.

Good call.

 

[greg nr]

oh shit, not this argument again.
his/her teaching certificate should be revoked absolutely IMO.

Meh, he is probably a very good professor. Teachers should inspire to ideals, not burn students out on the realities of failure. I have no issues with teaching to how the system is supposed to work. Just be honest with how it really works.

 

[rkymtnman]

Meh, he is probably a very good professor. Teachers should inspire to ideals, not burn students out on the realities of failure. I have no issues with teaching to how the system is supposed to work. Just be honest with how it really works.

he said he put me on ignore but there's a reason our educational system ranks with our healthcare as middle of the pack worldwide . garbage in ,garbage out was what i learned .

 

[QtrNdaPuss]

Without reform, more money just means more jail cells get filled. The system needs to be reformed and silly sentencing laws cut. Institutional racism in justice system won't be addressed in your scenario either. Nope, we incarcerate a higher proportion of our society already. Prison guard unions are protecting the incarcerate now and ask questions later justice system too. No extra money for a corrupt system.

I think one of the reasons minorities get locked up at higher rates is because of how they are committing crimes. lets take drug sales for example. I've never seen a white neighborhood with dealers on the corner. plenty of white people are selling drugs but the way they are doing it is way different. like if someone buys an oz and bags it all into 1 gram bags and they get caught with that it's basically impossible to claim personal use. where as a guy with that oz in one bag who weighs it out as it's sold is gonna end up with a ticket maybe they do an overnight in jail but they aren't gonna get intent. which is goofy as all hell but that is what it is. it's not fair how they are treated at all though. for example lets say i'm doing 10mph over and get pulled over. the police aren't gonna even ask to search my vehicle more than likely. but i've been pulled over with a "black" friend for a "lane violation" and 5 more police cars show up and question us separate about where we are going gave me sobriety tests ask like 50 times to search the vehicle act like 200 cash is an ill gotten gain. it's a fucking sick how they are all judged guilty by police and society just because they are a different color. but it is what it is fuck the laws!

 

[greg nr]

he said he put me on ignore but there's a reason our educational system ranks with our healthcare as middle of the pack worldwide . garbage in ,garbage out was what i learned .

don't know the background. But we really don't need a purge of the education system. For every pragmatist or progressive that gets booted for not being pure enough, there are 10 conservatives waiting to replace science with theocracy and critical thinking with political dogma.

We don't need that future.