Jeff Sessions wants to increase asset forfeiture

ttystikk

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jonsnow399

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darkzero said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/sessions-greenlights-police-to-increase-seizures-of-cash-and-property-from-suspected-criminals/2017/07/19/3522a9ba-6c99-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html Found this today was disgusted. Now they can suspect or say anything and take all your property without a charge or conviction. Little thieving sob.
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this is nothing new, 60 minutes had a story a long time ago on cops on the interstate confiscating cars "suspected" of hauling drugs.
 
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jonsnow399 said:
this is nothing new, 60 minutes had a story a long time ago on cops on the interstate confiscating cars "suspected" of hauling drugs.
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Every police officer who breaks the law needs to be held accountable, to a higher standard than the average citizen. Otherwise they won't be respected and the excuses for bad behavior will corrupt whole departments.

Like Baltimore.
Like New Orleans.
Etc...
 
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Huckster79 said:
But the use of it went down in the O years... should be zero under any admin tho. i hope im alive to see him make rushmore, I miss Berry
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Try telling that to the Hirsch brothers.

Federal prosecutors working under Lynch’s supervision put the brothers through a civil forfeiture nightmare. For twenty-seven years, Jeff Hirsch has distributed candy, cigarettes, and other products to convenience stores. His father was in the business before him, and Jeff’s brothers are partners in the business. The brothers work hard, sometimes eleven hour days, to make an honest living. But in May 2012, prosecutors from the Office of the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York—the office currently run by Lynch—teamed up with the IRS to seize the business’s entire bank account totaling nearly $450,000 simply because the brothers deposited cash in amounts under $10,000.

The government never alleged that this money was anything other than the lawfully earned proceeds of the brothers’ legitimate business.
 
SneekyNinja

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But...but... EMAILS! BENGHAZI! SHILLERY STOLE PRIMARY AND IS WORSE!

jonsnow399 said:
Try telling that to the Hirsch brothers.

Federal prosecutors working under Lynch’s supervision put the brothers through a civil forfeiture nightmare. For twenty-seven years, Jeff Hirsch has distributed candy, cigarettes, and other products to convenience stores. His father was in the business before him, and Jeff’s brothers are partners in the business. The brothers work hard, sometimes eleven hour days, to make an honest living. But in May 2012, prosecutors from the Office of the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York—the office currently run by Lynch—teamed up with the IRS to seize the business’s entire bank account totaling nearly $450,000 simply because the brothers deposited cash in amounts under $10,000.

The government never alleged that this money was anything other than the lawfully earned proceeds of the brothers’ legitimate business.
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That sounds like there's part of the story not being told...there isn't even drugs involved.
 
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Sir Napsalot said:
“The goal here is to empower our police and prosecutors with this important tool that can be used to combat crime, particularly drug abuse,” Rosenstein said at a news briefing.

The feds consider all marijuana use "abuse"
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This is why I'd never admit to smoking or growing an illegal plant under a fascist regime like Herr Pfirsich-Gorilla.
 
ttystikk

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jonsnow399 said:
Try telling that to the Hirsch brothers.

Federal prosecutors working under Lynch’s supervision put the brothers through a civil forfeiture nightmare. For twenty-seven years, Jeff Hirsch has distributed candy, cigarettes, and other products to convenience stores. His father was in the business before him, and Jeff’s brothers are partners in the business. The brothers work hard, sometimes eleven hour days, to make an honest living. But in May 2012, prosecutors from the Office of the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York—the office currently run by Lynch—teamed up with the IRS to seize the business’s entire bank account totaling nearly $450,000 simply because the brothers deposited cash in amounts under $10,000.

The government never alleged that this money was anything other than the lawfully earned proceeds of the brothers’ legitimate business.
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This is a classic example of the violation of our constitutional right of protection from search and seizure without due process.

If we don't have our civil rights when we need them, we don't fucking have them at all!
 
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jonsnow399 said:
Try telling that to the Hirsch brothers.

Federal prosecutors working under Lynch’s supervision put the brothers through a civil forfeiture nightmare. For twenty-seven years, Jeff Hirsch has distributed candy, cigarettes, and other products to convenience stores. His father was in the business before him, and Jeff’s brothers are partners in the business. The brothers work hard, sometimes eleven hour days, to make an honest living. But in May 2012, prosecutors from the Office of the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York—the office currently run by Lynch—teamed up with the IRS to seize the business’s entire bank account totaling nearly $450,000 simply because the brothers deposited cash in amounts under $10,000.

The government never alleged that this money was anything other than the lawfully earned proceeds of the brothers’ legitimate business.
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Before I even look for the citation, I'm going to say they made suspicious deposits. Suspicious are considered deposits of 9999.00, 9900.00 etc. multiple deposits same day totaling more than 10k..people are stupid, the pattern is really easy to spot and you have yourself an investigation. Especially if the deposit IS 10k and they take back money just so the report doesn't get made..THAT in and of itself, gets auto report.

Vending is another cash business, easy to money launder.
 
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ttystikk said:
This is a classic example of the violation of our constitutional right of protection from search and seizure without due process.

If we don't have our civil rights when we need them, we don't fucking have them at all!
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I'm going to say there's a few facts missing here Tty.
 
jonsnow399

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schuylaar said:
I'm going to say there's a few facts missing here Tty.
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But banking Bi-County’s proceeds has always been problematic, Jeff Hirsch says. Aside from the security risks of keeping large amounts of cash on hand, the company kept running up against reluctant banks that didn’t want to deal with the extra paperwork. In fact, in the decade before the Bi-County account was seized, the company had been shut out of three local banks who grew impatient with the Hirsches’ large cash sums. Then a CPA who does work for the company suggested that the Hirsches make smaller, more frequent deposits.

“They had no idea they were doing anything wrong,” Salzman says. “If somebody had said, hey, what you’re doing could be misconstrued, or it’s illegal, they would have stopped doing it in a heartbeat.”

Salzman adds that making numerous sub-$10,000 deposits is not illegal, unless the deposits are structured to conceal ill-gotten gains.

Since the hassles with the feds, the Hirsches have reverted to making large, reportable deposits, Jeffrey Hirsch says.

The point is that they had absolutely no proof of wrongdoing and should have presented evidence quickly or returned the money.
 
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jonsnow399 said:
But banking Bi-County’s proceeds has always been problematic, Jeff Hirsch says. Aside from the security risks of keeping large amounts of cash on hand, the company kept running up against reluctant banks that didn’t want to deal with the extra paperwork. In fact, in the decade before the Bi-County account was seized, the company had been shut out of three local banks who grew impatient with the Hirsches’ large cash sums. Then a CPA who does work for the company suggested that the Hirsches make smaller, more frequent deposits.

“They had no idea they were doing anything wrong,” Salzman says. “If somebody had said, hey, what you’re doing could be misconstrued, or it’s illegal, they would have stopped doing it in a heartbeat.”

Salzman adds that making numerous sub-$10,000 deposits is not illegal, unless the deposits are structured to conceal ill-gotten gains.

Since the hassles with the feds, the Hirsches have reverted to making large, reportable deposits, Jeffrey Hirsch says.

The point is that they had absolutely no proof of wrongdoing and should have presented evidence quickly or returned the money.
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Total bullshit. Banks LOVE your money..that's how they make THEIR money through ..analyses fees.

Everyone knows this banking rule. It's been out there before my children were born when I worked in banking.

This guy knows. His CPA DEFINATELY knows..it's Accounting 101..they were doing something sketchy.

And the governments 'go to' is..'you're a business it's up to YOU to educate yourself in state and federal law'.

Simply put..there's no excuse.
 
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