bernie and jane are lawyering up!

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Justin-case said:
I just read Joe Scarborough left the Republican party. As long as people like Joe keep dumping the RNC we're bound to pick up votes. There will no longer be a need to appeal to the bernout basement dwellers, lol. Middle of the road conservatives are more reasonable and consistent voters anyway.
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i would rather our party welcome in or at least work with people like rick wilson rather than ally with the berntards.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
"Evil Queen Hillary" - how was that? Provide examples

"Evil DNC" - right, I've provided the evidence that proves the DNC was not neutral during the primary. That's the only claim I've ever levied towards them, but you want to obfuscate the facts by claiming I said they're "EVIL", OK..

"Both feet out on Sanders" - I've repeated I'm willing to wait to see the results of the investigation before I levy judgement and that I value the rule of law. You have already convicted him because the right wing talking points support the same thing you support and you already believe he and his wife are guilty regardless of what the trial concludes

Why do you insist on muddying the waters by claiming I've ever said Clinton or the DNC are "EVIL"? That is a smear tactic employed by scumbags like you to get people to believe there is no actual substance behind legitimate claims. Now why would you need to employ such shady tactics if your case had any merit?

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"Saint Bernard fraudster"

How can we reach a compromise when I believe accepting campaign contributions from special interests leads politicians to do the bidding of those special interests instead of constituents and you don't?

Explain that to me, please.
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you are right. No compromises with berners. Can't compromise with closet racists.
 
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st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Fogdog said:
Why hasn't answered yet? It's such a simple question and the topic was raised by one of his own.
@Padawanbater2 , do you think that Trump is the best thing that ever happened to those on the left of the political divide?
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That depends on how the question is framed. Are Trumps policies good for those on the left, or anyone for that matter? No. If his presidency ruins the Republican Party and leads to Democratic majorities in the house and senate would that not be a good thing in the long run?

Trump is an incompetent boob. All he has done so far is sign executive orders which have mostly been toothless, symbolic nonsense. I don't want to see him impeached. I want to see him rot on the vine for 4 years while getting nothing done. That will translate to democrats in power in all 3 branches. Mike Pence scares me more. He is More capable of moving an agenda forward, and certainly would present a more formidable foe in a general election.

Trump, in a lot of ways is a gift to the Democratic Party politically speaking. In a practical way he could do harm to the country, but he has shown me little ability to govern.
 
Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
That depends on how the question is framed. Are Trumps policies good for those on the left, or anyone for that matter? No. If his presidency ruins the Republican Party and leads to Democratic majorities in the house and senate would that not be a good thing in the long run?

Trump is an incompetent boob. All he has done so far is sign executive orders which have mostly been toothless, symbolic nonsense. I don't want to see him impeached. I want to see him rot on the vine for 4 years while getting nothing done. That will translate to democrats in power in all 3 branches. Mike Pence scares me more. He is More capable of moving an agenda forward, and certainly would present a more formidable foe in a general election.

Trump, in a lot of ways is a gift to the Democratic Party politically speaking. In a practical way he could do harm to the country, but he has shown me little ability to govern.
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This is where you and I part ways. A white man with money isn't ever going to be harmed by Trump's policies or ineptitude. I can see how a white man can overlook the truly harmful acts and see how they might benefit in the long run. Barring Trump stumbling into a major war, I'm guessing you'll be just fine and lament the condition of the country after he's gong.

An ICE agent in a predominately Latino neighborhood now sends waves of concern and some fear in that community. Also parents are deported, or under threat of it. Do you know what an African American thinks about when they hear about his investigation into voter fraud that never happened? Maybe, that would be voter suppression and continuance of white male rule in areas that are predominately black. Is Trump ever going to address the issues raised for low income women when Texas closes Planned Parenthood?

Then we can talk about what happens to poor communities when sea rise causes flooding. Are they able to pick up and move on? What little they had is gone. Not only that but their community that helped sustain them is gone too. A person with means has flood insurance. Sure he'll take a financial hit but will "pull himself together and look on the positive side".

Oh, and now Trump wants to simply repeal ACA without replacement. I'm guessing you'll be OK.

Not a gift to a major portion of the Democratic Party. No sir.

This idea that Trump is the best thing that ever happened is a white liberal idea. Stinks of entitlement and racism. Can you see now why Sanders lost the primary when he completely lost the south? It isn't because media collusion. That idea stinks of racism too.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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st0wandgrow said:
That depends on how the question is framed. Are Trumps policies good for those on the left, or anyone for that matter? No. If his presidency ruins the Republican Party and leads to Democratic majorities in the house and senate would that not be a good thing in the long run?

Trump is an incompetent boob. All he has done so far is sign executive orders which have mostly been toothless, symbolic nonsense. I don't want to see him impeached. I want to see him rot on the vine for 4 years while getting nothing done. That will translate to democrats in power in all 3 branches. Mike Pence scares me more. He is More capable of moving an agenda forward, and certainly would present a more formidable foe in a general election.

Trump, in a lot of ways is a gift to the Democratic Party politically speaking. In a practical way he could do harm to the country, but he has shown me little ability to govern.
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So basically you don't want Trump/Pence impeached and hope they serve 4 full years?

Way to out yourself, Trump-cuck.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Fogdog said:
This is where you and I part ways. A white man with money isn't ever going to be harmed by Trump's policies or ineptitude. I can see how a white man can overlook the truly harmful acts and see how they might benefit in the long run. Barring Trump stumbling into a major war, I'm guessing you'll be just fine and lament the condition of the country after he's gong.

An ICE agent in a predominately Latino neighborhood now sends waves of concern and some fear in that community. Also parents are deported, or under threat of it. Do you know what an African American thinks about when they hear about his investigation into voter fraud that never happened? Maybe, that would be voter suppression and continuance of white male rule in areas that are predominately black. Is Trump ever going to address the issues raised for low income women when Texas closes Planned Parenthood?

Then we can talk about what happens to poor communities when sea rise causes flooding. Are they able to pick up and move on? What little they had is gone. Not only that but their community that helped sustain them is gone too. A person with means has flood insurance. Sure he'll take a financial hit but will "pull himself together and look on the positive side".

Oh, and now Trump wants to simply repeal ACA without replacement. I'm guessing you'll be OK.

Not a gift to a major portion of the Democratic Party. No sir.

This idea that Trump is the best thing that ever happened is a white liberal idea. Stinks of entitlement and racism. Can you see now why Sanders lost the primary when he completely lost the south? It isn't because media collusion. That idea stinks of racism too.
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You make some good points that I won't deny. I understand that his policies are not good for people in general (pretty sure I said as much). But, from a political standpoint he is a gift to the Democratic Party. A Hilary presidency would have ensured republican majorities in congress for years to come.
 
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