Microsoft Laying Off THOUSANDS..

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schuylaar

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greg nr said:
Tech has gone through many, many, downsizings not directly related to the overall economy. Mostly it happens due to piss poor management or some change in manufacturing or productivity (moving engineering to other countries for example).

Microsoft has been long overdue for a major correction, but this is far from their first round. Big tech companies end up with too many of one skill and not enough of another, and they aren't transferable.

While I don't disagree with anyone on the direction of the economy, the MS move isn't really a harbinger of anything except high tech moving bodies around.

High tech sharecropping ain't what it used to be.

As for not getting paid, it's the new trump management style being adopted. Never stop negotiating; never pay what you agree to pay; never pay on time; sue anyone who complains.
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Sadly, I'm the front line of my company and commissioned. Everyone else out here DEMANDS payment up front. DEMANDS. Uitilities etc are Net 30, you don't pay? You just get shut down remotely. I need oral surgery..my portion AFTER dental insurance is estimated $600. No one lets you 30-60 to break it up..sure just let me pull it out of my ass.

When 2017 budget kicks in and cash biz doesn't pay? Then says 'We were cut' to zero budget?
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schuylaar

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Bugeye said:
Life is full of trade offs. No respect, and you should go elsewhere. Sometimes hard to do.
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It has nothing to do with my company..we invoice as a courtesy with contractual obligation..as a result no one gets paid.

As luck would have it..everyone's bonus in my organization is tied to me and what I do.
 
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schuylaar

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SneekyNinja said:
But it is what anyone with knowledge of the tech industry knows.

Do you do any research before you mash "Post Thread" or is it purely attention seeking?
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Not everyone has this knowledge.

A layoff is revenue motivated..how have their distributions for shareholders doing these days?

Didn't they have a HUGE earnings <loss> Q1?

The figure in the company's "more personal computing" segment represents a 7 percent decline from what it reported in the year-ago period. Microsoft said the decrease was primarily driven by lower phone revenue.

Within the "more personal computing" segment, the company said it saw a 26 percent decrease in Surface, a line of tablets and computers.

The stock fell as much as 3 percent in after-hours trading, but has since recovered its losses. It was last seen trading just slightly lower.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/27/microsoft-earnings-q3-2017.html
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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schuylaar said:
Not everyone has this knowledge.

A layoff is revenue motivated..how have their distributions for shareholders doing these days?

Didn't they have a HUGE earnings <loss> Q1?
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As I've told you several times, they invested heavily into their phone and tablet offerings, they even changed the PC version of Windows to be more cross platform compatible and it's basically fallen flat on its face...no market penetration.
 
greg nr

greg nr

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SneekyNinja said:
But it is what anyone with knowledge of the tech industry knows.

Do you do any research before you mash "Post Thread" or is it purely attention seeking?
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Microsoft could absorb most of those resources if they had a need for them. More likely the green light to bolt overseas is what they are looking at. Cheaper labor and hidden profits, and without gates running the ship the course is changing.

Like it or not, a huge chunk of talent is retiring. And they aren't being replaced in this country. State colleges especially have decided that science and research isn't worth investing in. So we aren't producing great engineers in the quantity we once did. I see it everyday when we try to hire people. They have all kinds of certifications but no knowledge or experience. They don't learn quickly. They were never taught to actually think.

So this action from MS may have nothing to do with product investment and more to do with restructuring for a new offshore workforce. It's happened at countless other tech companies. MS was just slow to the game.
 
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schuylaar

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SneekyNinja said:
As I've told you several times, they invested heavily into their phone and tablet offerings, they even changed the PC version of Windows to be more cross platform compatible and it's basically fallen flat on its face...no market penetration.
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They're saying it's for a different reason- aka LYING.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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greg nr said:
Microsoft could absorb most of those resources if they had a need for them. More likely the green light to bolt overseas is what they are looking at. Cheaper labor and hidden profits, and without gates running the ship the course is changing.

Like it or not, a huge chunk of talent is retiring. And they aren't being replaced in this country. State colleges especially have decided that science and research isn't worth investing in. So we aren't producing great engineers in the quantity we once did. I see it everyday when we try to hire people. They have all kinds of certifications but no knowledge or experience. They don't learn quickly. They were never taught to actually think.

So this action from MS may have nothing to do with product investment and more to do with restructuring for a new offshore workforce. It's happened at countless other tech companies. MS was just slow to the game.
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Most of the layoffs are occurring outside the USA, according to the press release.
 
greg nr

greg nr

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Bugeye said:
Most of the layoffs are occurring outside the USA, according to the press release.
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But not mentioned in the release is they will be increasing contractors. It's a move from employee to contractor. There will still be a lot of US jobs lost. You don't see them because of attrition. People leave or retire or are fired. They don't get replaced. Still a job loss. Just not a layoff.
 
Nugachino

Nugachino

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Windows hasn't been worth their salt for a few years now.

They did 98SE & XP well. Vista was a joke. Just like Millennium Edition. 7 was fuckin awesome. Then they took a giant shit and released 8. And then back for a second helping from taco bell with number 10.

I switched back to Linux Mint after seeing what 8 was like. First time was when fuckin Vista refused to be wiped from my hard-drive.

I don't think microsoft really has the relevance they once did. Not when our mobiles can do a good portion of what a desktop can.
 
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SneekyNinja

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greg nr said:
Microsoft could absorb most of those resources if they had a need for them. More likely the green light to bolt overseas is what they are looking at. Cheaper labor and hidden profits, and without gates running the ship the course is changing.

Like it or not, a huge chunk of talent is retiring. And they aren't being replaced in this country. State colleges especially have decided that science and research isn't worth investing in. So we aren't producing great engineers in the quantity we once did. I see it everyday when we try to hire people. They have all kinds of certifications but no knowledge or experience. They don't learn quickly. They were never taught to actually think.

So this action from MS may have nothing to do with product investment and more to do with restructuring for a new offshore workforce. It's happened at countless other tech companies. MS was just slow to the game.
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It's all part of one big fucked up pie though, the Surface and Windows Phone are about as popular as a fart in a space suit.

They expected their portable platforms to take off and they just didn't so huge layoff were to be expected either way as they cut the people who's skills aren't valuable "moving forward".

Thats why I like lower level stuff, not as sexy but always in demand.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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greg nr said:
But not mentioned in the release is they will be increasing contractors. It's a move from employee to contractor. There will still be a lot of US jobs lost. You don't see them because of attrition. People leave or retire or are fired. They don't get replaced. Still a job loss. Just not a layoff.
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I see. Why would we not see job declines from attrtion? Presumably they publish employee numbers in 10K filing?
 
tampee

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ttystikk said:
If everyone did it, this would be the end of our economy. Therefore, no one must be allowed to do it.

The breaking of the employee/employer compact has done nothing but bad things to our country.
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Our economy is already fucked the only reason we are pushing American imperialism across the world. Gadaffi was in the process of creating a gold backed currency Saddam tried to only accept Euros so we killed them both. Our economy is beyond repair we can never pay back our debt so we must have war.
 
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