Mark Blyth, the economist who's making sense

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Fogdog

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undercovergrow said:
i don't care what you think. the fact that no one on this thread can understand that someone can believe something to be true and that in and of itself does not make "it" true is fine with me. could i have perhaps made myself a little more clear instead of taking another hit when i initially wrote that sentence? i suppose, but it wouldn't matter: the fact that you (and it seems most everyone else on this thread that has a far left view) engage in divisive rhetoric, name calling, and general childish behavior instead of actually having intellectual conversations is why i don't care what you have to spew on this thread.

not sure how i was notified about this thread anyway as i have stopped following the BS
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My fault for dragging you into the discussion. I apologize and will take measures to not do so again.
 
undercovergrow

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Fogdog said:
My fault for dragging you into the discussion. I apologize and will take measures to not do so again.
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that's great because the reference to being shagged (without lube! because there's ALWAYS time for lube) nor even the consideration of a condom didn't feel like being dragged back into a discussion at all

 
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undercovergrow said:
that's great because the reference to being shagged (without lube! because there's ALWAYS time for lube) nor even the consideration of a condom didn't feel like being dragged back into a discussion at all

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enjoy your fact free life. If you want to stay and check out with or without lube, you are welcome. But really, Trump is doing it without lube no matter what he tells you. You probably are too loose to tell. Which in your situation is a good thing.
 
ttystikk

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undercovergrow said:
would have loved to but nope, not yet. you're referencing al jazeera (the muslim brotherhood's propaganda outreach program)?
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Did you know that the current spat between Qatar and the coalition of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain and Egypt actually centers around them trying to force Qatar to shut down Al Jazeera? It seems they don't like the truth about what they're up to getting out.

If they're doing that to Muslim countries, maybe they aren't so biased as you might believe.
 
ANC

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I guess it would vary according to the endeavour the locals are undertaking. An emerging farmer might need more resources than someone starting a fruit stall.
 
undercovergrow

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Fogdog said:
enjoy your fact free life. If you want to stay and check out with or without lube, you are welcome. But really, Trump is doing it without lube no matter what he tells you. You probably are too loose to tell. Which in your situation is a good thing.
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now see? this comment proves my point. i could have initially replied to you that i didn't feel a thing and your aggressive comments about penetrating me and leaving me crying must come from your IRL micro penis that the women in your life aren't able to feel either but i didn't go there. but then since you've already played the "you're too loose" card i can see where a comment like that would go.

i am not a Trump supporter. just because I identify as a Christian in my signature doesn't mean all Christians followed blindly the Liar In Chief. i have said before and i will say it again - i didn't vote for him because i recognized the sleazy car salesman spiel that he was selling.
 
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ANC said:
I guess it would vary according to the endeavour the locals are undertaking. An emerging farmer might need more resources than someone starting a fruit stall.
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It was to be a basic income, not predicated on their business. The discussion about microloans came later in the article. Not judging, just trying to get an idea of what their funding levels are.
 
undercovergrow

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ttystikk said:
Did you know that the current spat between Qatar and the coalition of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain and Egypt actually centers around them trying to force Qatar to shut down Al Jazeera? It seems they don't like the truth about what they're up to getting out.

If they're doing that to Muslim countries, maybe they aren't so biased as you might believe.
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whose truth? it makes sense as the two sects (Shia and Sunni) start to align to fill the vacuum that is coming with the eventual destruction of ISIS
 
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undercovergrow said:
now see? this comment proves my point. i could have initially replied to you that i didn't feel a thing and your aggressive comments about penetrating me and leaving me crying must come from your IRL micro penis that the women in your life aren't able to feel either but i didn't go there. but then since you've already played the "you're too loose" card i can see where a comment like that would go.

i am not a Trump supporter. just because I identify as a Christian in my signature doesn't mean all Christians followed blindly the Liar In Chief. i have said before and i will say it again - i didn't vote for him because i recognized the sleazy car salesman spiel that he was selling.
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Okay then. You stuck around and so I can now take back my apology. Thanks.

Now, then. Before you so cowardly left our conversation, I was asking you how you can expect a median income wage earner with a family of four to pay for health care coverage. Reminding you that you said everybody 'should' pay for their own health care coverage. The median income wage in the US is $35k and the median cost of healthcare for a family is $15k. I'm pretty sure you will also say people 'should' pay for their own and their family's food, shelter, heating, education, as well as health care coverage. So, tell me, how does a half the population make their healthcare payments and cover everything else. Do you recommend they put their children on the street with begging bowls? It doesn't add up.

After you answer this question regarding family finances, I'll ask about senior health care. After a lifetime of barely making ends meet, how does a person with no income pay $5,000 per year for individual healthcare coverage? This assumes they have a roof over their head and subsistence food rations.
 
ANC

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At the moment money is going into a very small number of accounts.
When more people have money to spend, there will be more money going around with more opportunities than now. So you won't have to stay a middle-income earner.
 
Fogdog

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undercovergrow said:
now see? this comment proves my point. i could have initially replied to you that i didn't feel a thing and your aggressive comments about penetrating me and leaving me crying must come from your IRL micro penis that the women in your life aren't able to feel either but i didn't go there. but then since you've already played the "you're too loose" card i can see where a comment like that would go.

i am not a Trump supporter. just because I identify as a Christian in my signature doesn't mean all Christians followed blindly the Liar In Chief. i have said before and i will say it again - i didn't vote for him because i recognized the sleazy car salesman spiel that he was selling.
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White Christians support Trump. By a wide margin. Given how unchristian he is in practically all ways, why don't righteous Christians speak out against his vile depredations on their values? If you are truly Christian how can you stand by and let your fellow false Christians cause such harm to the very people your belief teaches you to care for?

Instead, you snivel about how "everybody should pay for their own healthcare" when wages and healthcare costs are so out of whack? The only Christian answer is universal healthcare. Then again, you must be one of those cafeteria style Christians where you pick and choose the values to live by. Jesus washed the feet of the poor. What do you do? Probably examine your face in the mirror and wonder about botox.
 
undercovergrow

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Fogdog said:
Okay then. You stuck around and so I can now take back my apology. Thanks.

Now, then. Before you so cowardly left our conversation, I was asking you how you can expect a median income wage earner with a family of four to pay for health care coverage. Reminding you that you said everybody 'should' pay for their own health care coverage. The median income wage in the US is $35k and the median cost of healthcare for a family is $15k. I'm pretty sure you will also say people 'should' pay for their own and their family's food, shelter, heating, education, as well as health care coverage. So, tell me, how does a half the population make their healthcare payments and cover everything else. Do you recommend they put their children on the street with begging bowls? It doesn't add up.

After you answer this question regarding family finances, I'll ask about senior health care. After a lifetime of barely making ends meet, how does a person with no income pay $5,000 per year for individual healthcare coverage? This assumes they have a roof over their head and subsistence food rations.
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why are you stuck on this particular hypothetical? why can't we address inflation, corruption or the over-reach of our government that has made your example so prevalent in our society? i think the only system that honors the individual is capitalism and that should be how society is governed and i would like to see laws and regulations changed (actually just wiped off the books) and the destruction of the FED so the above family in your example can continue to make good choices in their life for what is right for them without the government telling them what they need--the above family might not need full on insurance coverage if they're young. they might need catastrophic insurance coverage and are willing to pay for various doctor visits on their own but now you're insisting they need full coverage to cover every little sneeze they might get. why are you insisting that family who can obviously not afford to pay for insurance pay for it?
 
undercovergrow

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Fogdog said:
White Christians support Trump. By a wide margin. Given how unchristian he is in practically all ways, why don't righteous Christians speak out against his vile depredations on their values? If you are truly Christian how can you stand by and let your fellow false Christians cause such harm to the very people your belief teaches you to care for?

Instead, you snivel about how "everybody should pay for their own healthcare" when wages and healthcare costs are so out of whack? The only Christian answer is universal healthcare. Then again, you must be one of those cafeteria style Christians where you pick and choose the values to live by. Jesus washed the feet of the poor. What do you do? Probably examine your face in the mirror and wonder about botox.
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why is every comment you make trying to prove your point filled with insults regarding my personal status? is that the only way you can claim victory?

there are a lot of useful idiots on both sides of the spectrum...
 
ttystikk

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ANC said:
At the moment money is going into a very small number of accounts.
When more people have money to spend, there will be more money going around with more opportunities than now. So you won't have to stay a middle-income earner.
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The article is very short on actual program details...

I agree that cash transfers have the ability to raise the whole economy via the ripple, or multiplier effect. This may be it's very best feature.

After all, that's a main reason why it's being discussed as a solution in developed nations.
 
Fogdog

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undercovergrow said:
why are you stuck on this particular hypothetical? why can't we address inflation, corruption or the over-reach of our government that has made your example so prevalent in our society? i think the only system that honors the individual is capitalism and that should be how society is governed and i would like to see laws and regulations changed (actually just wiped off the books) and the destruction of the FED so the above family in your example can continue to make good choices in their life for what is right for them without the government telling them what they need--the above family might not need full on insurance coverage if they're young. they might need catastrophic insurance coverage and are willing to pay for various doctor visits on their own but now you're insisting they need full coverage to cover every little sneeze they might get. why are you insisting that family who can obviously not afford to pay for insurance pay for it?
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You very cowardly refuse to answer? I'll take that as a concession that universal healthcare coverage is necessary.

It's hard to tell from your meandering trail of words in your post but I think you are saying the US should have a living minimum wage that pays enough for basic needs including saving for retirement, saving for child's college education and recreation but not cable TV. If so, then we agree.
 
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