The CORRECT homemade TERPINATOR/RESINATOR formula!

[Dabs_Offa_Hot9]

I don't mean to open up an old thread, but I feel that I have to, to ask this question. When you mix them to together, how long does it take before the mixture goes mad? I seen someone tried to ask this, but there wasn't a definite answer. Does the potassium sulfate eat the carbs while it's in the jug? Or does any part of this goes bad after a week?

I would like to know this as well

 

[Chunky Stool]

I doubt if it goes bad unless you contaminate the solution.

 

[Altered State]

I had posted this before. I made a mistake and THANKS TO MisterBlah getting me looking at where I went wrong and giving actual volumetric math vs. farm charts and misread labels!

I gave you a "sweet raw" formula that costs about a dollar a gallon and works GREAT!

NOW THIS!
Very simple actually

I figure that if you buy 5 lbs of K2SO4 (Potassium Sulfate) off Amazon -

https://www.amazon.com/Potassium-Sulfate-Potash-Organic-Pounds/dp/B00L225EXI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468941355&sr=8-1&keywords=potassium+sulfate

that will make you OVER 6 gallons of the formula (Adding the powder to the gallon of water will increase the total volume of the solution!). Then you spend what you would need to buy the amount of dark brown sugar to do the same.

The cost per gallon would be LESS then $4.00 a gallon to make it!
The others cost $68 a gallon and $158 for 5L!

Here I had my farm math. I used a formula to make a 300ppm application solution for 1000 gallons and forgot to multiply the answer by a factor of 28(grams) to back it to a 10% solution. What I posted was the application rate of 300ppm and NOT a 10% concentration! (Thanks again to MisterBlah!)

SO then 378.5 grams (volumetric math) of that Potassium sulfate powder from Amazon into 1 gallon of water for the 10% solution.
Add the 1.5 tsp of Dark brown Sugar for the carbs. Mix well till everything is dissolved and jug it! (With my old farm math method, and application charts I got 380 grams [correction]- a simple gain of 1.5 grams from formula shifts over the 1000 gallon conversion in the Greenhouse guide chart)



FEED CHART
(DO NOT mix with Silica - this causes a chemical reaction - precipitation)

STARTING Week 3&4 !
4-ml in 1 gallon of your feed

At week 5&6
6-ml in 1 gallon of your feed

At week 7 till harvest
8-ml in 1 gallon of your feed


I researched the "Rock Resinator" and the "Terpinator" formula's and they use an 8% solution and a 4 % solution respectively!

I formulated a 10% solution to be better effective faster. I used both products feed charts and normal feeding values of "K" to come up with the feed chart I gave you.
FOLLOW IT! NO increasing and you'll be safe and happy with the results!

This should make your lemon taste stronger or deeper, along with the smell!

This formula will increase the trich and terp production just like the Mg Sulfate formula BUT, will give everything a rather citrus smell and taste - more "lemony" for the most part.

Changes the taste and smell of any Berry or sour strain to more lemony/citrusy or fuel like..

Good luck and THANKS AGAIN to @MisterBlah

Hey Who have you you heard of Chitosan ?

if so why not use in your recipe ?

I have read its in Terpinator and probably in bud factors X.

Anyways its know to increase Oil production in both cannabis and non cannabis plants

 

[Dr. Who]

Hey Who have you you heard of Chitosan ?

if so why not use in your recipe ?

I have read its in Terpinator and probably in bud factors X.

Anyways its know to increase Oil production in both cannabis and non cannabis plants

I have to say, I'm not really a fan of chitosan.......The little I get in by soils I build - is plenty!

You see, chitosan has an annoying anti bacterial property! As an Organic "give me all my living soil can be" type of guy......I don't actively add it to things.

Besides, the effect that chitosan has on increasing trich's......Is so minor, it's not worth it to me...It's done better my way...AN's Bud factor X - is basically "Chitosan" and a waste of money!

 

[Chunky Stool]

I have to say, I'm not really a fan of chitosan.......The little I get in by soils I build - is plenty!

You see, chitosan has an annoying anti bacterial property! As an Organic "give me all my living soil can be" type of guy......I don't actively add it to things.

Besides, the effect that chitosan has on increasing trich's......Is so minor, it's not worth it to me...It's done better my way...AN's Bud factor X - is basically "Chitosan" and a waste of money!

There are organic options that are cheap and work great. Guano and insect frass will make your buds swell.

 

[Dr. Who]

There are organic options that are cheap and work great. Guano and insect frass will make your buds swell.

I think he's more interested in making an increase in trich/terp production.......

Mg sulfate and Potassium sulfate do that - better then anything else..

 

[Chunky Stool]

I think he's more interested in making an increase in trich/terp production.......

Mg sulfate and Potassium sulfate do that - better then anything else..

How does mg sulfate help? Not saying you're wrong, just curious. Mg is the center of the chlorophyll molecule but I didn't know it helped with terps & trics.

 

[Altered State]

Crushed shrimp shells is a easy source of chitosan might work well to compost the shells just a thought.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

How does mg sulfate help? Not saying you're wrong, just curious. Mg is the center of the chlorophyll molecule but I didn't know it helped with terps & trics.

It doesn't build trichomes as far as any reading I have done. Or when I tried side by sides with mag sulfate. It did raise my ec and stress my plant some.

But I have sulfer in my soil, water and nutes already so boosting just puts my medium out of balance.

Also I have only read this sulfer thing here and on rm3 website.

Boosters made with these salts were originally for yield and in vegetable gardens flavor not more trichs. And if there is sufficient elements in the medium they are not needed.

I would like to see proof if it is true but I think not.

 

[Chunky Stool]

I know growers who say to stop cal-mag and go with mag sulfate at the end of flower because they claim the plants won't finish right if you keep giving them calcium.
Not sure if I buy into this theory. Organic growers don't have that much control so their crops would never finish???
Dunno.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I know growers who say to stop cal-mag and go with mag sulfate at the end of flower because they claim the plants won't finish right if you keep giving them calcium.
Not sure if I buy into this theory. Organic growers don't have that much control so their crops would never finish???
Dunno.

They don't need much calcium or nitrogen during ripening is why I thought. They say to stop calcium nitrate.

Even mag sulfate directions say to stop then. Botanicare sweet for example.

 

[Dr. Who]

It doesn't build trichomes as far as any reading I have done. Or when I tried side by sides with mag sulfate. It did raise my ec and stress my plant some.

But I have sulfer in my soil, water and nutes already so boosting just puts my medium out of balance.

Also I have only read this sulfer thing here and on rm3 website.

Boosters made with these salts were originally for yield and in vegetable gardens flavor not more trichs. And if there is sufficient elements in the medium they are not needed.

I would like to see proof if it is true but I think not.

I've found quite the opposite/ Mg sulfate and K2SO4 both increase trich production......Several on here have tried it and found increase in trich's on the same strains run side by side. How? I don't know "how". I only know it works for me, and the bulk of the growing friends I have around me. A few folks here that have done some strain testing for me, and several that have sent me "thank you's for it, after trying it.

Mg sulfate will make the plant smell more berry like and Potasium sulfate will make it more lemon smelling/tasting....

I found reports on that a long time ago and not to long ago.....The info is out there.....

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I've found quite the opposite/ Mg sulfate and K2SO4 both increase trich production......Several on here have tried it and found increase in trich's on the same strains run side by side. How? I don't know "how". I only know it works for me, and the bulk of the growing friends I have around me. A few folks here that have done some strain testing for me, and several that have sent me "thank you's for it, after trying it.

Mg sulfate will make the plant smell more berry like and Potasium sulfate will make it more lemon smelling/tasting....

I found reports on that a long time ago and not to long ago.....The info is out there.....

I have looked for something more credible but can not find. I do believe that potassium and sulfer and other elements become unavailable for various reasons and what you are suggesting could force the plants to take up elements they were lacking.

Sort of like cal mag "fixes" imbalances sometimes.

I also think a lot of this kind of thing really belongs in water culture. Changing the ratio in a potting mix does not change the cec or availability of certain elements the way we hope sometimes. I get better results with a Grow formula all through flower. It does have less nitrogen than phosphorous slightly though.

I also disagree with your element and berry or lemon smell. Things like botanicare sweet that impart berry flavor use (esters? sp.) and amino acids. As well as sulfer for flavor. They suggest to stop during ripening too.

The raw sweet is marketed to not affect flavor but enhance the natural terpenes.

In my side by side the plant with only base fertilizer came out better 3 rounds. And I do not like side by sides as ultimate proof because of the unlimited amount of variables we can encounter.

I have 2 clones running now taken at the same time treated exactly the same way that started to differ in needs by week 4 in 12/12.

They are growing somewhat differently now as I adjusted to their needs.

So........

 

[Dr. Who]

I have looked for something more credible but can not find. I do believe that potassium and sulfer and other elements become unavailable for various reasons and what you are suggesting could force the plants to take up elements they were lacking.

Sort of like cal mag "fixes" imbalances sometimes.

I also think a lot of this kind of thing really belongs in water culture. Changing the ratio in a potting mix does not change the cec or availability of certain elements the way we hope sometimes. I get better results with a Grow formula all through flower. It does have less nitrogen than phosphorous slightly though.

I also disagree with your element and berry or lemon smell. Things like botanicare sweet that impart berry flavor use (esters? sp.) and amino acids. As well as sulfer for flavor. They suggest to stop during ripening too.

The raw sweet is marketed to not affect flavor but enhance the natural terpenes.

In my side by side the plant with only base fertilizer came out better 3 rounds. And I do not like side by sides as ultimate proof because of the unlimited amount of variables we can encounter.

I have 2 clones running now taken at the same time treated exactly the same way that started to differ in needs by week 4 in 12/12.

They are growing somewhat differently now as I adjusted to their needs.

So........

I really don't care why or how it works. I don't care what some company markets a product for (AN markets products that do other things)..

It works for me and it works for others. The way I apply it!

For some strains. I won't run without it! Makes a big difference!

It's sure as hell not hurting anything I grow!

For some reason it does work on flavors - I don't even believe it does that much flavor wise.....It can and does change the scent profiles that way.......I don't remember where I saw this info (on the flavor/smell).....It came up when I was looking at building the "nators".......It sure does work for me.....

Sorry it didn't work for you

 

[Mr.Head]

I've been following this thread for a few days and was debating using your mix in some organics is this going to effect my beneficial microbial life, or is it applied in such small doses I don't have to worry about it?

Very interested to test this out and it's very cheap which is right up my alley. I'm a DIY guy, I find the stuff I make myself is usually better and lasts longer than watered down shit in bottles

 

[CannaBruh]

I just got off a compete run where the room saw only a modest veg/grow formula (no ratio change, no boosters), and it was the healthiest but weakest leafiest yet very frosty harvest I've seen in some time, the only supplementation to the veg food was K-sulfate.

The base I used was canna coco a+b (never again)

Something I do want to clear up with the K-sulfate is that I still have a bit of sediment at the bottom of my jug at rest. I give a nice mixy mix prior to measuring out what I give them (have padded that down a lot, 3ml brings EC up > 0.1) but once the jug is at rest the sediment settles again. Most of what I put in the jug has dissolved or suspended, but there's this little bit of grit, what even is it?

 

[Chunky Stool]

I have looked for something more credible but can not find. I do believe that potassium and sulfer and other elements become unavailable for various reasons and what you are suggesting could force the plants to take up elements they were lacking.

Sort of like cal mag "fixes" imbalances sometimes.

I also think a lot of this kind of thing really belongs in water culture. Changing the ratio in a potting mix does not change the cec or availability of certain elements the way we hope sometimes. I get better results with a Grow formula all through flower. It does have less nitrogen than phosphorous slightly though.

I also disagree with your element and berry or lemon smell. Things like botanicare sweet that impart berry flavor use (esters? sp.) and amino acids. As well as sulfer for flavor. They suggest to stop during ripening too.

The raw sweet is marketed to not affect flavor but enhance the natural terpenes.

In my side by side the plant with only base fertilizer came out better 3 rounds. And I do not like side by sides as ultimate proof because of the unlimited amount of variables we can encounter.

I have 2 clones running now taken at the same time treated exactly the same way that started to differ in needs by week 4 in 12/12.

They are growing somewhat differently now as I adjusted to their needs.

So........

I've found that sativa strains like veg nutes most of the way through flower, but indica seems to like less N and does better with a bloom formula -- even in veg.
Ever try RAW products by NPK Industries? I got a killer deal on the bloom formula and am anxious to try it out. I'll probably just run it with straight promix and the occasional guano tea.
Here's the label:
http://npk-industries.com/bloom_label_back.html

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I've found that sativa strains like veg nutes most of the way through flower, but indica seems to like less N and does better with a bloom formula -- even in veg.
Ever try RAW products by NPK Industries? I got a killer deal on the bloom formula and am anxious to try it out. I'll probably just run it with straight promix and the occasional guano tea.
Here's the label:
http://npk-industries.com/bloom_label_back.html

I find this varies with hybrids. I take it all on an individual plant basis. But if I only used the botanicare Pure Blend soil bloom I would yellow and kill the leaves off any plant in my garden.

The Kind Trio Bloom was more balanced and could be used as it is a 2 part with the base as calcium nitrate.

But the base and grow bottles worked just as well.

I have also used a powdered nute made for marijuana by CH9. It is medium in nitrogen and high in potassium and low in phosphorus and is a stand alone 1 part. Intended for hydro or soil too. The man bred plants professionally for 35 years I think he might know what our plants really need and he uses 1 ratio.

So I just taper off the strength as the plants need.

Of course this is all with my un adjusted well water. I want to use nutes that balance out with my water and soil.

That is what matters for results and simplicity.

I never have to leach pots unless I screw up and over feed. And I never have to adjust ph or worry about re liming. Etc.

And I have multiple sources for all elements breaking down at all times.

It all balances out.

And no I never tried raw. But am familiar with Harley smith.

I prefer the president of dyna grow's take on all this. He made the bloom bottle in response to customer demand and knows it doesn't do shit for anyone and admits it in this interview.

I would say he is an expert who knows what plants need. And dyna Grow is going to have a marijuana nute too when they finish testing.

But he says foliage pro all the way through.

But all the forum experts will keep telling everyone to do what they think they see. And all the noobs will keep feeding their ego because they don't want to read books and have easy answers.

I studied for 4 years and grew pot for 2 years perpetually before I ever posted here. I noticed all the contradicting info right away and decided to study first so I would not buy into any gardening myths.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I really don't care why or how it works. I don't care what some company markets a product for (AN markets products that do other things)..

It works for me and it works for others. The way I apply it!

For some strains. I won't run without it! Makes a big difference!

It's sure as hell not hurting anything I grow!

For some reason it does work on flavors - I don't even believe it does that much flavor wise.....It can and does change the scent profiles that way.......I don't remember where I saw this info (on the flavor/smell).....It came up when I was looking at building the "nators".......It sure does work for me.....

Sorry it didn't work for you

You should care why it works. Without a mode of action and some actual evidence I am expected to listen to the opinion of a fellow pot head.

 

[Dr. Who]

I've been following this thread for a few days and was debating using your mix in some organics is this going to effect my beneficial microbial life, or is it applied in such small doses I don't have to worry about it?

Very interested to test this out and it's very cheap which is right up my alley. I'm a DIY guy, I find the stuff I make myself is usually better and lasts longer than watered down shit in bottles

I use organic Epsom
The sugar is organic
The K sulfate is organic

I have no problems using it.