Do you trust mainstream media?
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Fogdog
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When revisionist history is written, look to who benefits the revision. In the case of holocaust revisionism, the ones who benefit are demagogues, jew-haters, Palestinians, those who oppose Israel. Palestinians have a good case without calling into question the holocaust. Other than Palestinians, the people who benefit are shameless liars, haters and zealots. That would make @Flowki a tool of liars, haters and zealots.
ttystikk
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ttystikk
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This is riddled with errors. You're delusional if you think Churchill was the first to target civilians in warfare.
I'm not an expert in the Holocaust, but you sound like you're saying that if 6 million weren't killed, it was somehow no big deal.
Vietnam isn't relevant to a discussion about the Holocaust as it came 20+ years later on the other side of the planet.
And there's much more I don't care to dignify with a response.
Except this; you say you 'believe in' the Nazi gas chambers.
Do you also 'believe in' the Declaration of Independence??
They're both historical facts and as such don't require belief, only an understanding of history.
Yet it's telling you say things like that and don't expect people to take offense.
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Flowki
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Hang on a second. Just because a historical event is given an ''official'' stamp of facts it does not mean it is accurate or free of a callus angle. Again you demonstrate the culture of red vs blue with no middle ground. To say anything other than the official story suddenly makes me some racist anti Jew?. If that makes me a tool to the haters then your willingness to believe in any official statement makes you a tool to corrupt government. Are you going to argue western government was/is free of corruption/lies at any point in time?. Is Trump doing what he said he would do?.
9/11 has some big conspiracy's around it. Again I remain critically impartial to all story's but give them all the time of day because you never know, right?. What you can say for it though, is that many people did in-fact hear explosions and it was reported live and in recorded footedge at the time. Do you automatically jump to the conclusion that it was an inside job?.. many did. Or do you think, well.. people obviously heard something that sounded like explosions, it could have been an inside job but it could also have been explosion like sounds generated by massive structural failure. We know one thing as fact, people heard explosions, we don't know the reason for those.
That is pretty much the same thought process I have on the holocaust or any other opinion I hold on other topics. I agree with all of the facts other than the stated death toll. Why or who fabricated the number was most likely done to ensure people rallied together to fight the nazis (white lie for a good course). But still, lying about such a thing is low.
Flowki
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I am not delusional at all. Rather than turn this into a history lesson can you not agree that Churchill opened the door to a tactic that allowed the mass murder of civilians like very little seen before. In a civilized country that tactic should NEVER have got the go ahead, argue otherwise. Like it or not he holocaust pales in comparison to the level of destruction brought about by civilian targeted bombing runs by all nations involved, then and after, including Vietnam. I don't know how you can be so dismissive or defensive over such a horrible tactic and it's origin. I am not arguing Jews were not persecuted, you on the other hand seem to be arguing against this.
Yes I believe both the nazi gas chambers and the declaration of independence took place. Your question is flawed though, and since you don't think some of my points are worth a dignified response then you can figure out the flaw for yourself. What I will say though, is that the details (hint) of a historical fact are the basis of this argument.
I don't expect people to take offense. I try to look at everything as unbiased as possible and keep an open mind that fact is not always fact, in terms of the details. If people want to go ahead and believe every historical or official fact no questions asked, that's up to them. I am quite ashamed for society though if one can not question such historical or official fact with ought being judged as some kind of racist nut case. Every person on this planet has the ability to lie, regardless of what organization or government they belong too. To simply believe that anything put in the history books is true, including all details.. is dangerous imo. Again, I am arguing mostly details, not full out facts.
The reason these details count is because of the mass injustice involved. What the Nazis did to Jews gets way too much attention, to the point it's took on a smoke screen role for western society and media/movies. Where are the endless Hollywood movies of what the Americans did to the Vietnamese, what Churchill did to the Indians/Germans, what we all done to the middle east?. You don't get to see how it ws for the innocent people caught up on the other end of our shitfest.. but lets cry once again for what Nazis did to Jews, and how we stopped it all.
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Hollywood Hoax ... More Germans died in the War than JEWS and More Chinese/Russian than anyone else... yet cry me a river for the most Evil Tribe in the World....
Zionist are parasitic and suck humanity dry b4 it relocates to another victim.. After Germany was ruined.. they came to America and changing the fabric of America to become nothing but their good lil Goym ...
Zionist are parasitic and suck humanity dry b4 it relocates to another victim.. After Germany was ruined.. they came to America and changing the fabric of America to become nothing but their good lil Goym ...
HOAX.. Notice how many WW2 movies Jewish Hollywood has made with Oscar Award Winning Soundtracks to make you feel so sorry for something that has never been proven...
All American history books on the topic of WW2 are all written by Jews who are also the Deans of every Major University... So its beyond easy to manipulate peoples opinions and views.. IVY League Zionist school are masters of changing Historical Facts to serve the Zionist Agenda ..
Chinese Historians dont acknowledge that Millions of Jews died by Hitler... there is no real proof except for Hollywood Hoax movies
Fogdog
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delusional. Unjustified sense of grandeur. Needs help. Hope he doesn't get it. Soon to be street bum if not already.
It's not a matter of belief. That's for fake conspiracy theorists.
There is no doubt that Hitler planned extermination of the Jews long before he took power. Plenty of documents in their own government establish that he acted on this. Very common for a delusional conspiracy theorist to grab onto one bit of information that is debatable and claim it proves the entire case to be false. Such as 6 million killed. Does it really matter if the number is 4.5 million? Or 11 million? Laughable position to take. "it wasn't 6 million therefore the holocaust didn't happen."
Unclebaldrick
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Unclebaldrick
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You are so utterly full of shit. Ten or twenty years ago I would have invited you to come and spend some time with the dozen or so survivors I have known well. Time has taken them now but I will not allow you to piss on their graves.
Fogdog
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Chinese Historians say...
So now you quote an unnamed Chinese Historian. Or an unnamed association of Chinese Historians. Or is it ALL Chinese Historians? Probably one of the oldest fake debate tricks is to quote an expert who isn't available for questioning as a reference to back up a weak assertion. Your last sentence by itself is reason to disrespect you.
It's not a matter of belief. That's for fake conspiracy theorists.
There is no doubt that Hitler planned extermination of the Jews long before he took power. Plenty of documents in their own government establish that he acted on this.
Is your brother in this photo?
I can't say it better than Walter Reich, psychiatrist and then senior scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, one-time director of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, and now professor of international affairs at George Washington University:
The primary motivation for most deniers is anti-Semitism, and for them the Holocaust is an infuriatingly inconvenient fact of history. After all, the Holocaust has generally been recognized as one of the most terrible crimes that ever took place, and surely the very emblem of evil in the modern age. If that crime was a direct result of anti-Semitism taken to its logical end, then anti-Semitism itself, even when expressed in private conversation, is inevitably discredited among most people. What better way to rehabilitate anti-Semitism, make anti-Semitic arguments seem once again respectable in civilized discourse and even make it acceptable for governments to pursue anti-Semitic policies than by convincing the world that the great crime for which anti-Semitism was blamed simply never happened—indeed, that it was nothing more than a frame-up invented by the Jews, and propagated by them through their control of the media? What better way, in short, to make the world safe again for anti-Semitism than by denying the Holocaust?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial
"Make the world safe" again for antisemitism. What a laudable goal. @oswizzle, more like Os-penis.
Fogdog
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Why is that @oswizzle still here? I had it on ignore for a while and was surprised to find out that it's not only posting but has become ever more delusional in its antisemitism. Would our mods tolerate it if it said same about slavery and African Americans? It contributes nothing to the forum. Just spews hate and lies.
Flowki
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I did not for one second say the Holocaust did not happen or that many people died nor did I try to play down how many did. Read my posts again and try to do it from a less defensive angle. It does not matter if the number was 4.5 or 6 million.. it matters that the number itself was lied about. I mean historically, what does 1.5 million people matter?. Historically, what does it matter how many civilians Churchill killed, Hitler was the true evil after all?. This is not impartial accurate facts and you should have a problem with that.. you really should (just like most news is no longer impartial). Trust me when I tell you that I hate what both Hitler and Churchill did by the same amount. The issue is that the disgust for what was done is not equally distributed by OP title, history books.. or general opinion (All the flame I am getting here for example).
Naturally the point it was all intending to make is that government/mainstream manipulate the narrative into simplistic child like view of life where all is good or all is evil. Western civilization good.... Iraq evil, etc.
Also, look at this you quoted.
''After all, the Holocaust has generally been recognized as one of the most terrible crimes that ever took place, and surely the very emblem of evil in the modern age.''
Look at the wording here.. the emblem of evil. What the actual fuck was dropping nukes on civilians then?. Do any of you even understand what a nuke does to people who survive initial blast?. Napalm ranks high in the list of emblems of evil.. but Agent orange, that takes the trophy for me. I'd ask how many of you even know what Agent orange was, let alone it's lasting effects. An interesting fact here though, is that America dropped around 3 or 4x the amount of bombs (can't remember exact figure) on Vietnam than was dropped in WW2. This was not bombing of tactical targets.. it was simply to blanket bomb the entire country and inflict as much civilian/military/infrastructure and agricultural damage as possible. What America done to Japan and Vietnam was worse than what Hitler done to Jews. But that's when controlling the narrative becomes handy. Aka your man is bias.
Do not take this the wrong way, a lot of Americans among others protested endlessly against such actions. They were ignored, just as we now ignore or are not readily told of the events themselves.
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Justin-case
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Lol, Churchill is as bad as Hitler, Gfy tampee.
Flowki
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Well anyway, on a lighter note.
I think Media has always had an agenda but we just did not know it. Once the internet and the Trojan horse that is social media evolved, we began to see conflicting narratives. Mainstream and government have not yet been able to control/predict it and I think you can see real evidence of that now. Polls over the past years have got so many big events wrong and I believe that is because they reflect an old rigged system trying to survive in the current platform of alternative news that social media provides. Alternative could be good or bad.. depends on if you wanted Trump or you wanted out of the EU. Jeremy corbyn stands to be the next huge upset to old school media. Tory polls stated he had no chance with Teresa may at 80% if I recall, most young people use social media though. They ran a vote reflecting that and he was at around 60% or more across 150k votes, while Teresa may had about 15%. Does not say he is to win but it shows how one ''poll'' to the next can give off a very different picture that very well effects popular opinion. Add to that the relentless mainstream media campaign against him and you can not call this anything else than a pretense of democracy. But hopefully alternative media will continue to enforce real democracy.
I think Media has always had an agenda but we just did not know it. Once the internet and the Trojan horse that is social media evolved, we began to see conflicting narratives. Mainstream and government have not yet been able to control/predict it and I think you can see real evidence of that now. Polls over the past years have got so many big events wrong and I believe that is because they reflect an old rigged system trying to survive in the current platform of alternative news that social media provides. Alternative could be good or bad.. depends on if you wanted Trump or you wanted out of the EU. Jeremy corbyn stands to be the next huge upset to old school media. Tory polls stated he had no chance with Teresa may at 80% if I recall, most young people use social media though. They ran a vote reflecting that and he was at around 60% or more across 150k votes, while Teresa may had about 15%. Does not say he is to win but it shows how one ''poll'' to the next can give off a very different picture that very well effects popular opinion. Add to that the relentless mainstream media campaign against him and you can not call this anything else than a pretense of democracy. But hopefully alternative media will continue to enforce real democracy.
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Fogdog
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Budman forgot to include NPR.
The Russian sites are where you get your news, hmm?
Fogdog
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LOL
Umm, nope, you diminished the murders of millions of Jewish people in the Holocaust. And now you are cowardly back-tracking.
"A lot of Americans are good people". Thanks. And now you are moving on to discussing nuclear bombs. Sounds very much like somebody who was banned not too long ago. Why do you come back after being told to go away? You have no pride, I guess.
I have never said 1 bad thing about JEWS... ZIonist... thats not a JEW..
Thats an evil part of Humanity that is responsible for all world Problems ... Again Zionist can burn in Hell... Jews are normal people like everyone else...