Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the US

Fogdog

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
SneekyNinja said:
Which is?

Seems like you're backing away from the whole campaign finance thing already, isn't that the crux of your whole argument?
Click to expand...
Naaah he's just trying to sound like a tea party progressive analogue. "It's my way or the highway". Can't blame the left though. That's pretty much what moderate Democrats have said for about 20 years to the left. It's a losing strategy for Democrats but that's what Paddy is doing.

upload_2017-3-18_14-57-42.jpeg

The attitude of the left wing reminds me of Eddie Gaedel. Of course, Eddie was there for the show, and not taken seriously. Zach Taylor, the coach was reported as telling Eddie that he had a sniper trained on him in case he took a swing. Eddie is one of five players to take a walk in their first ever plate appearance and never come to bat again.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
You have no policy solutions. That's why you will not win votes. You have empty rhetoric, platitudes, and proven failed strategies.

Good luck!
Click to expand...
I have reality.

America needs a slow shift to the left (which is achievable), if you run candidates the way you plan to they'll be called the "Communist Party" by the right and they won't even get TV time because they're so abhorred.

There was a massive opportunity you idiots just missed, Bernie could've gotten Dept of Labor or something.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
Right, so every Democratic senator voted for campaign finance reform when it didn't actually matter, just to save face for people like you, their gullible constituents. When Democrats have a filibuster proof supermajority, we still can't even get single-payer healthcare passed. Don't feed me that bullshit.

It doesn't matter if Democrats have a filibuster proof supermajority in the Senate, campaign finance reform negatively affects all of the establishment shills who accept corporate bribes. That's why they will never bring it up as a legitimate issue, that's why Barney Frank and other retards push the propaganda that we have to take the bribes to fight the Republicans, even if the guys we vote for don't actually represent our interests, just like Republicans..
Click to expand...
Uh huh. I'm presenting facts and you present your belief. I'm not able to counter your belief if it doesn't depend on facts. So I guess you win :dunce:

When it was time to put their name on the issue they voted for campaign finance reform. That's a fact.

As you point out, there is no chance of passing an amendment under GOP control. That's also true.

Democrats had campaign finance reform as a plank in the party's plans in 2016 and Hillary was on board with it too. That's a fact.

Spin your beliefs how you like. That's how Republicans got the way they are. I'll stick to facts.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
60 Democratic votes in favor of Romneycare, 39 opposed, not a single Republican voting in favor. That's a fact

We had a supermajority, we could have had universal, single-payer healthcare, but because of corporate influence in many of those so called "Democrats" campaigns, it wasn't even an option on the table. That's what you get when corporatists control the party; Republican healthcare options.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
60 Democratic votes in favor of Romneycare, 39 opposed, not a single Republican voting in favor. That's a fact

We had a supermajority, we could have had universal, single-payer healthcare, but because of corporate influence in many of those so called "Democrats" campaigns, it wasn't even an option on the table. That's what you get when corporatists control the party; Republican healthcare options.
Click to expand...
We had a super majority to pass the ACA. That's true. We didn't have a super majority to pass universal single payer healthcare. That was floated earlier on but some conservative democrats were not on board with that idea and so it was not an alternative. The only alternative at the time to the ACA was the status quo in 2007.

The ACA is starting to look pretty good to America compared to what Republicans have proposed. If America wants universal health care, why did they vote for Republicans?

What I saw with the ACA was a bridge to universal health care, which I would rather we have than insurance companies in charge of managing it. But I'm willing to take what the ACA offers to nothing, which is what a "my way or the highway" policy would have achieved.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
UncleBuck said:
why won't you actually answer though?
Click to expand...
Maybe they got voted out on their ass so much under Obama and the DNCs leadership because they did a shitty job at representing the middle-class. Maybe people actually wanted single payer and establishment Democrats couldn't deliver, even with a supermajority in congress..
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top