Doobie006
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Hey Meduse, Did you not understand the above Quote. I was making your point. That we cannot trust the goverment to determine Who is a "Bad Guy".
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medicinaluseonly
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I made the mistake V does all the time and nitpicked one sentence out of your post, I apologise. We agree that the Govt. has too much power. and I guess you don,t like the new Bush laws. Well Amen Brother, Hey, I'm not the communitst V would have you believe! I believe in free enterprise, I just don't believe in government run by greedy corporate assholes that make laws restricting our freedoms by shoving fear down our throats>
ViRedd
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If you believe in free enterprise, how would you justify turning our entire health care industry over to the federal government to run?
Vi
Dankdude
Well-Known Member
Because the Free interprise model has priced themselves out of the market and now we have more uninsured people than we ever had.
Get it through your head, if you pay the cost upfront and maintain a healthy work force our country would be able to maintain the cost of such a program.
medicinaluseonly
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No it's the corporate entities involved in private care that's the problem. Multi-million dollar CEO salarys while the HMOs are turning down lifesaving procedures for patients and Medicine costs are forcing the "donut Hole" seniors to miss meals to stay alive. Geezers your are a stubborn hard ass. Ill fucking guarantee if you had a life threatining illness and couldn't afford health care you'd certainly change your mind about the state of private health care, how many people die every day in this country from piss poor or no health care! The Greedy HMOs and big Pharma are the roadblocks to good affordable health care. Take them out of the formula, institute a state sponsored single payer system, let the Govt. regulate the runaway cost of medicines and you'd have the equivalent of what many other countries not as rich as US have done for their citizens, provided comprehensive health care for everyone. Is that so horrendous?
ViRedd
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"Take them out of the formula, institute a state sponsored single payer system, let the Govt. regulate the runaway cost of medicines..."
No thanks, Med. The last time the government regulated anything it was gasoline. I didn't like the shortages it caused.
Again, I ask ... is the health care of the population so important that the entire health care industry be turned over to government?
Vi
No thanks, Med. The last time the government regulated anything it was gasoline. I didn't like the shortages it caused.
Again, I ask ... is the health care of the population so important that the entire health care industry be turned over to government?
Vi
medicinaluseonly
Well-Known Member
Yes!...............
ViRedd
New Member
Ok, so here's a question for you: If health care is too important for the private sector to run, then surely the production and distribution of food should be turned over to government as well, right? I mean after all, isn't it true that just like the big drug companies, large corporations control the majority of food production and distribution now as well? Don't these food corporations lobby government just like the big drug companies do? Why, how in the world can a market chain be trusted to order the right food, in the correct amounts without government's central planning? How can the food processors be trusted to keep the food prices affordable when the food industry is a monopoly? How can they guarantee freshness and food that is fit to eat? All of these areas could be better served by the central planning of government bureaucrats don't you think?
We'll talk about shoe and toilet paper production and allotment later.
Vi
Dankdude
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Look Vi since the Republicans have been in office, the government is bigger than ever. You say that you trust their judgment to protect our country, but in the next breath you say you dont trust them to handle our health care.
You cant have it both ways. Dont you see the hypocrisy in your statements?
ViRedd
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"Don’t you see the hypocrisy in your statements?"
No I don't see it. I have repeatedly said that I don't support either party and the reason I come down so hard on the Democrats is because I see them as the more dangerous of the two parties. Why more dangerous? Because they are leading us down the road to socialism faster than the Republicans. The Democrats who are left-of-center, like Med, are in direct alignment with the platform of the Communist Party. I've proven it and he's admitted to it. If I had my way, BOTH parties would be out of power, never to return. They are both anti-liberty and anti-freedom.
Vi
No I don't see it. I have repeatedly said that I don't support either party and the reason I come down so hard on the Democrats is because I see them as the more dangerous of the two parties. Why more dangerous? Because they are leading us down the road to socialism faster than the Republicans. The Democrats who are left-of-center, like Med, are in direct alignment with the platform of the Communist Party. I've proven it and he's admitted to it. If I had my way, BOTH parties would be out of power, never to return. They are both anti-liberty and anti-freedom.
Vi