What can I expect from outdoor growing in terms of smell/pests?

[avillax]

So, me and my friend have decided to grow 2 plants outdoors.

We are located in Mexico, here, weed is not legal but cops are mostly looking for big farmers, there's no such thing as heat scanners, etc.

We want to grow it in my friends's penthouse that has a big sunny terrace. He says his only neighbor now doesn't venture much to the roof, as he has guard dogs and also not a clear view to his terrace.

First of all, will the smell of 2 plants be too intense? This is a sunny terrace on a beach destination, so there's lots of soft breeze. Will it be easy to detect?

Also are spider mites something extremely common?

 

[backtracker]

some plants smell more than others and mites are everywhere because they float in the air to spread so keep an eye out. train them to look like a hedge and grow some rosemary in small pots to cover the smell.

 

[avillax]

Nice, so mites are almost for certain, correct? Should I not wait and buy some Neem oil or Azamax and spray them regularly?

 

[whitebb2727]

Captain jacks spinosad is great for mites.

Some strains can be smelled a long ways off. Indica's tend to be more pungent and sativas more fruity.

 

[tstick]

You don't just spray chemicals onto your plants unless it is absolutely necessary and as a last resort. Don't just assume your plant will automatically have spider mites on it. Cannabis is an accumulator plant and it will hold onto whatever you put on it....most of which you don't want to smoke.

You should always meticulously take care of your plants and monitor for any and all pathogens. If you're going to take the risk, then grow the best. Otherwise, just buy street weed and let someone else assume the risk.

 

[BcDigger]

Captain jacks spinosad is great for mites.

Some strains can be smelled a long ways off. Indica's tend to be more pungent and sativas more fruity.

FYI spinosad has been pulled from the Colorado Marijuana enforcement division's list of approved pesticides for cannabis. Not sure on the reason and ive never used it but just thought I would share what I know

 

[whitebb2727]

FYI spinosad has been pulled from the Colorado Marijuana enforcement division's list of approved pesticides for cannabis. Not sure on the reason and ive never used it but just thought I would share what I know

Those list are stupid. They will ban one thing but allow another but they will be the same ingredient.

I consider it safe. I would read a link why though. If its a legit reason I would quitnusing it.

 

[backtracker]

Nice, so mites are almost for certain, correct? Should I not wait and buy some Neem oil or Azamax and spray them regularly?

if you can find this stuff use it http://www.dazeys.com/blog/trifecta/ but mites are not the only bug that likes pot, thrips, white flies, aphids, grasshoppers, leaf hoppers oh and russet mites. check them every time you water.

 

[avillax]

And how do you deal with them?

 

[WaxertheRadical]

Spinosad, used out doors, can be very effective, however, it is highly volatile towards honey bees and butterflies. Honestly, I don't think spinosad being used on two plants will make much of a difference environmentally but you need to be conscious of what you are putting in contact with your plants and the life that is drawn to them.

 

[waterproof808]

You don't just spray chemicals onto your plants unless it is absolutely necessary and as a last resort. Don't just assume your plant will automatically have spider mites on it. Cannabis is an accumulator plant and it will hold onto whatever you put on it....most of which you don't want to smoke.

Not necessarily true...prevention is key when growing...behind every successful grower is a solid IPM protocol.
You can use non-toxic preventatives like neem oil in veg and first 2 weeks of flower and that will give you the better shot at a successful harvest rather than waiting until after problems start to start treatment. Neem, Essential Oils, and enzymes used at the proper times are all safe for humans and are not systemic.

 

[whitebb2727]

Spinosad, used out doors, can be very effective, however, it is highly volatile towards honey bees and butterflies. Honestly, I don't think spinosad being used on two plants will make much of a difference environmentally but you need to be conscious of what you are putting in contact with your plants and the life that is drawn to them.

Not fully correct. It is only harmful to bees for thirty minutes after application. I use it early morning or after sun down to keep from hurting bees.

I use spinosad in my veggie garden. Bees still come around.

The cool thing about spinosad is you can water a plant with it and it will be systemic.

 

[WaxertheRadical]

Not fully correct. It is only harmful to bees for thirty minutes after application. I use it early morning or after sun down to keep from hurting bees.

I use spinosad in my veggie garden. Bees still come around.

The cool thing about spinosad is you can water a plant with it and it will be systemic.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it doesn't have a place. I think it's a great product, especially when compared to other pesticides, and applying it as you had mentioned above does help to minimize it effects on bees but that doesn't make spinosad any less harmful. It only takes one bee to take it back to the hive and wipe it out completely.

 

[whitebb2727]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it doesn't have a place. I think it's a great product, especially when compared to other pesticides, and applying it as you had mentioned above does help to minimize it effects on bees but that doesn't make spinosad any less harmful. It only takes one bee to take it back to the hive and wipe it out completely.

It doesn't work like that.

 

[WaxertheRadical]

It doesn't work like that.

Well...then I have been misinformed because that is how I had come to understand it *Head drops in shame* Can't be spreading that shit around. Enough misinformation out there as it is. My fault.

 

[whitebb2727]

Well...then I have been missing informed because that is how I had come to understand it *Head drops in shame* Can't be spreading that shit around. Enough misinformation out there as it is. My fault.

It is a fairly harmless bacteria.

It is possible for it to harm bees for a few minutes. It doesn't though. Just be careful with it. I use it around bees a lot. I avoid spraying flowering parts the bees like.

I have a bee hive and been using spinosad for a couple years now.

In the big picture spinosad is one of the safer products. It has a little risk but with proper precautions it is fine.

 

[WaxertheRadical]

It is a fairly harmless bacteria.

It is possible for it to harm bees for a few minutes. It doesn't though. Just be careful with it. I use it around bees a lot. I avoid spraying flowering parts the bees like.

I have a bee hive and been using spinosad for a couple years now.

In the big picture spinosad is one of the safer products. It has a little risk but with proper precautions it is fine.

Thanks for the info. I'll have to do a bit more research though because I had gotten my information from an old "master gardener" that worked on our property maybe 10 years back. He was usually spot on but I guess he dropped the ball on the ol' spinosad. Haha

 

[waterproof808]

It is a fairly harmless bacteria.

It is possible for it to harm bees for a few minutes. It doesn't though. Just be careful with it. I use it around bees a lot. I avoid spraying flowering parts the bees like.

I have a bee hive and been using spinosad for a couple years now.

In the big picture spinosad is one of the safer products. It has a little risk but with proper precautions it is fine.

Spinosad is one of the pesticides labs have been screening for. I know it was a disqualifier in the emerald cup. I prefer to use it only if I'm having an outbreak of thrips, it is not effective on all insects so I don't use it regularly. Neem or enzymes are my go to.

 

[Sir72]

I can never smell them until I'm right up on them, even when there's a lot of em. Bud worms are my biggest problem, they poop and that's how the bud rot begins. Powdery mildew is also a problem but never too bad, I wipe as much off as possible with sweat from my brow.

 

[whitebb2727]

Spinosad is one of the pesticides labs have been screening for. I know it was a disqualifier in the emerald cup. I prefer to use it only if I'm having an outbreak of thrips, it is not effective on all insects so I don't use it regularly. Neem or enzymes are my go to.

They have no idea what they are doing when banning pesticides for cannabis. They will ban one product but allow another, both with the same ingriedents.

In would like to know why it is banned.

It is effective against all leaf eating pest.