Settle For Nothing

[TheBrutalTruth]

Still, you can't deny that it is a giant pyramid scheme, and like all pyramid scheme's it's eventually going to collapse.

 

[Stoney McFried]

That was odd...I found your post.I don't disagree, I do believe in survival of the fittest.But I believe healthcare, and everything, should be accessable and affordable to all.Even if you like pepsi and pot.It's your body.Do what you want, but being able to afford proper care could help correct errors that folks commit upon themselves out of ignorance and poverty.A government of the people and for the people should be just that.

You cant care about my mom, you don't even know her lol. Thats the point, im not knockin on your door to get to know you. If I was, maybe you could borrow some money, not to say that I got shitloads. We should at least be able to opt out like you said, and never be eligible for the assistance. That would make me and you happy. But your mom would end up getting less. And Id rather pay for social programs than missles, but I wont pay for either, unless they are tapping into sales tax And just to be fair, Ron Paul said this, if we werent being taxed out the ass for a bullshit "defence"(offense is more like it) and the war on drugs, and other frauds, we may not have such issues with social programs. People like me may have never quit their regular jobs to take in cash only. More gov is just more problems, its been that way throughout history. Imagine if you kept your entire check. I don't know how much you get paid, but do the math. Would you be able to give your mother 600 dollars or more if you werent paying into everything? The number may be more or less, but IMO people should stand on their own, be allowed to save their money rather than give it into a bankrupt system, and be taken care of by their loved ones rather than every one.

I have the same problem with socialized medicine. Ive said this before, ill say it again. Do you really want to pay the medical bills of McDonalds eaters, 24/7 soda drinkers, tap water drinkers, cig smokers, and other people that don't give a shit about themselves or don't give a shit enough to find out what they are doing to themselves? IMO these people should be weeded out as naturally they would be if they had no assistance. With socialized medicine these people will be able to live longer and breed more often. What becomes of this several generations down the line? Devolution? I think that is a possibilty since "bad models" have traditionally killed themselves off with their flaws, or died of some exploit another has taken advantage of throughout time, leaving the fittest to survive, and we are better because of it.

 

[ViRedd]

Social Security needs to be privatized ... period.

Vi

 

[dknob]

But I believe healthcare, and everything, should be accessable and affordable to all.Even if you like pepsi and pot.It's your body.Do what you want, but being able to afford proper care could help correct errors that folks commit upon themselves out of ignorance and poverty.

I totally agree, accessibility and affordability is important. Options and choices are important. This is part of the reason I don't like socialized medicine. Gov should make sure Healthcare is not profiteering, like it is. But they wont, they cause problems to create a reason to take more money or more power, which means all their buddies get a bigger slice. Imagine Socialized Medicine being controlled by a Gov thats constantly entertained and bribed and infiltrated by big Pharma. They just shouldnt force me to pay for Joe Shmoe. Joe makes his choices, he should be responsible for them. I make my choices, and I should be responsible for them.Its not up to GOV to make me take care of Joe. Ya know? Same with SS. It'd be nice if instead of SS you could take that money and any more that you want and put it into a special savings account. We should not give the government these types of powers to rob peter to pay paul. We know what they do with power.

A government of the people and for the people should be just that.

This would be nice. Ive never experienced this type of government as I've lived in the United States my entire life. This government of the people and for the people along with a constitution that isnt retired would be so sveeet.

 

[dknob]

You always been a big fan of National Socialism?

When you're on the recieving end, it's not rotten, it's a blessing. Just keep paying, I'll only be using it for about another 20-30 years, well past what I put in, with interest. Longevity runs in my genes,~LOL~.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

The enslavement of Peter to pay Paul, the problem is that Paul is going to love it, and Peter is going to hate it, but as long as Paul can dictate what the system does the system will continue to enslave Peter for Paul.

Not exactly a government of the people, for the people, by the people. More of a government of Pauls, for the Pauls, by those that like getting their asses kissed by the Pauls, whether the Pauls are Corporations, Individuals or Groups.

America was not meant to be a democracy, it was meant to be a Republic, with the law being applied equally to all. World's greatest democracy... phhtooie, World's Greatest Republic, but the question is how long will that last, if it is still true.

 

[dknob]

Yeah im so sick of this democracy shit. Everyone from our president down thinks we're in a democracy. Democracy was once defined by the US government as MOBocracy. To point out obvious flaws, implying MOB RULE. Now we spread the shit like Christianity

The enslavement of Peter to pay Paul, the problem is that Paul is going to love it, and Peter is going to hate it, but as long as Paul can dictate what the system does the system will continue to enslave Peter for Paul.

Not exactly a government of the people, for the people, by the people. More of a government of Pauls, for the Pauls, by those that like getting their asses kissed by the Pauls, whether the Pauls are Corporations, Individuals or Groups.

America was not meant to be a democracy, it was meant to be a Republic, with the law being applied equally to all. World's greatest democracy... phhtooie, World's Greatest Republic, but the question is how long will that last, if it is still true.

 

[VTXDave]

World's greatest democracy... phhtooie, World's Greatest Republic, but the question is how long will that last, if it is still true.

To quote a great man...

"A Republic...If you can keep it."

 

[dknob]

To quote a great man...

Benjamin Franklin after leaving the signing of the constitution when asked "What form of government shall we have?"

"A Republic... If you can keep it"

So many people are unaware of the coup of 1913, they don't believe the gov is every in any threat of being infiltrated and corrupted. B. Franklin knew "If you can keep it"

And he was right, and we haven't kept it.

The biggest threat today is diverting your attention over seas, or towards your tax problems, or mainstream media, while they loot the country.

 

[ViRedd]

Benjamin Franklin after leaving the signing of the constitution when asked "What form of government shall we have?"

"A Republic... If you can keep it"

So many people are unaware of the coup of 1913, they don't believe the gov is every in any threat of being infiltrated and corrupted. B. Franklin knew "If you can keep it"

And he was right, and we haven't kept it.

The biggest threat today is diverting your attention over seas, or towards your tax problems, or mainstream media, while they loot the country.

Most are unaware. Those of us who are aware keep talking about it, but its too complicated to fathom by a populous educated in our government schools. TV and Video Games have replaced books in most households. Then, there are the "others" who not only understand it, they support it ... for without it, their Utopian Welfare State would collapse overnight.

Here's a little point of interest: My business takes me into, on the average, 30 to 50 homes per week. I look into every room. It always amazes me how many homes have NO books and NO music. Just a TV and a refrigerator for entertainment ... that's it. Sick!

Vi

 

[VTXDave]

Here's a little point of interest: My business takes me into, on the average, 30 to 50 homes per week. I look into every room. It always amazes me how many homes have NO books and NO music. Just a TV and a refrigerator for entertainment ... that's it. Sick!

Vi

It is mind boggling how many there are of us who do not read. Hell, between Seamaiden and myself, we have so many books, with not enough bookcases, that we have boxes full of books stored in the garage.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

Too much focus on teaching at school and not enough focus on teaching students how to teach themselves.

Though, I personally would like to be able to access my dad's book collection. There's not a lot, but the books that he does have are eye openers.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

Then again by the standards of having none, he has a lot, maybe something on the order of 200 - 300, all non-fiction.

 

[ViRedd]

It is mind boggling how many there are of us who do not read. Hell, between Seamaiden and myself, we have so many books, with not enough bookcases, that we have boxes full of books stored in the garage.

Maybe we could start a book exchange.

I'll trade you straight across ... one of my Atlas Shruggeds for one of your H. L. Mencken essay compilations.

Vi

 

[dknob]

Vi it trips me out that you know about this, but you like the McCain-Palin ticket. What the dealio? Are you just in for the lesser of two evils? This 1913 deal was the result of campaign contributions from JP Morgan, Warburg & Rockefeller - Im sure you know this too - They basically paid off Woodrow Wilson to implement the federal reserve which he later admitted extreme regret for. Today, and ever since of course, the same huge ass banks have been making the largest contributions to ALL presidential candidates. I remember checking during the primaries, I was not surprised to see the same banks (Chase[rockefeller], JP Morgan, Morgan Stanely) funding every candidate except for Ron Paul, Kuncinich and other marginalized candidates. Ron Paul of course had his largest contributions from the general public followed by Microsoft and Google I might add.

Most are unaware. Those of us who are aware keep talking about it, but its too complicated to fathom by a populous educated in our government schools. TV and Video Games have replaced books in most households. Then, there are the "others" who not only understand it, they support it ... for without it, their Utopian Welfare State would collapse overnight.

Here's a little point of interest: My business takes me into, on the average, 30 to 50 homes per week. I look into every room. It always amazes me how many homes have NO books and NO music. Just a TV and a refrigerator for entertainment ... that's it. Sick!

Vi

 

[ViRedd]

Vi it trips me out that you know about this, but you like the McCain-Palin ticket. What the dealio? Are you just in for the lesser of two evils? This 1913 deal was the result of campaign contributions from JP Morgan, Warburg & Rockefeller - Im sure you know this too - They basically paid off Woodrow Wilson to implement the federal reserve which he later admitted extreme regret for. Today, and ever since of course, the same huge ass banks have been making the largest contributions to ALL presidential candidates. I remember checking during the primaries, I was not surprised to see the same banks (Chase[rockefeller], JP Morgan, Morgan Stanely) funding every candidate except for Ron Paul, Kuncinich and other marginalized candidates. Ron Paul of course had his largest contributions from the general public followed by Microsoft and Google I might add.

Well, I've been studying the issue for years. Everything one needs to know is presented here:

http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Secrets_of_the_Federal_Reserve/jekyll_island-1.htm

And also contained in this book:

 

[ViRedd]

"but you like the McCain-Palin ticket. What the dealio? Are you just in for the lesser of two evils?"

Yes, the lesser of two evils. My first choice was Ron Paul, but he doesn't stand a chance of winning. So, my vote is for McCain and Palin. Now, I've never really liked McCain and I was going to "write in" Ron Paul before McCain selected Palin as his running mate.


Four things: I like what Palin has done in Alaska, especially going against her own party to root out the corrupt bastards up there. Second, there will be two to three Supreme Court vacancies during the next four years. I want constructionist judges appointed to the bench. McCain will do that. Third ... McCain is 72 years old. If he doesn't make it through his first term, Palin will be a better choice over O'Bama or Biden for the presidency ... a libertarian thinker vs a Marxist. Fourth: McCain will be 76 years old for the next election cycle and that's too old to be elected. That leaves his VP, Palin to run for the presidency in 2012 ... and guess who she'll be running against? Not O'Bama, because the Demobats will throw him down the same trash-hole they threw Dukakis and Mondale. Nope, Palin will be running against .... Hillary! ~lol~

Now, I know there are those here who think I've "sold out," but the alternative to McCain & Palin is Marxism, pure and simple.

That's about it.

Vi

 

[chuckbane]

It'd be nice if it could be done Flo, but that would require us having something more than the weapons that the government has given us.

Ive got a great weapon the government has not given me. My words.

It would also require ensuring that the military would fight on our side, and not listen to our public "masters".

I have always wondered about this too quite honestly. If it ever did come to that point. Who would the army side with?

And i get a very bad feeling. The type of people who are willing to join the army and fight an unjust war for their government might also be people that would be easily brainwashed into killing their own for the government.

But essentially we are all human and we SHOULD all have the quest of freedom.
That is another problem I see. People are too focused on building a fortune and being successful that they have lost the true meaning of life. The quest for freedom. the quest for ones personal Utopia.

How many of you think that your purpose in life is to be free? And im not talking "United States of America Free". Canada is damn close but bad shit has happened since the conservatives have got power and WE CALLED AN ELECTION, which should have been done after the first year of bush's reign of terror.

The conservatives cut sales tax and income tax. Less money = less money for programs to make the country a better place in ways such as reducing poverty, treating more mental illnesses publically, offering a wider range of free healthcare (not everything is free, but the basics are.), creating better environmental protection agencies and so on and so on.

There are a lot of people who hate me because they see me as a "traitor" spreading hate on amercia. But i know first-hand that the U.S. is in the shitter, and i know this by not living there anymore.. im not saying people need to all get up and move but things need to be done there... and here, but more so south of me.

And you Chuck. I think I understand where you are coming from, but I'm still not 100% sure.

I can tell you are getting closer. and i am starting to feel better that you are at least trying to understand, unlike some. I dont need to be a jackass now because you are at least "listening". Others hear, but dont neccisarily listen.

You are saying that we are greedy, self-centered jack asses who are polluting oure environment with out giving a damn about the long term effects

Not jackasses, but the rest is right. We are not all like this. But we are all capable of greed. All it takes is the right dangle and a little weakness and we can all fall into greed. And as soon as you fall for greed, another persons greed will fill your greed (literally and metaphorically).

The biggest problem with america is that it is founded on greed and greed is what fuels the economy. And the next problem is that the politics are geared to make the greedy prosper and the honest human finish last.

Well, I don't know about the entire cabin in the forest part, I don't think you were pushing for that kind of tyranny.

The only thing i am pushing is for people to start thinking. and hopefully that will lead to better decisons which in turn will lead to a change for the better.
And i refuse to HOPE this will happen. I am doing what i can as a sole individual to change the world and it is hard.

Wont you join me?

And it seems that you think that government needs to be focused at a local level instead of a national level

not specifically local. but their focus is definately off. The focus needs to be on the people, and what is good for them (without impedeing rights), and how to make living conditons better. This is why i give my gov. i good coin, because I want them to make where i live a better place.

But sometimes that money gets poorly spent. And people dont get nearly pissed off enough. people say that its the big companies that pay the majority of the taxes and this is true. But it is the common human who works for those big industries, and that "tax money" they give to the gov. comes from someones pocket. The working human.

I think there are very few people who understand the deep deep roots of economy. People forget to realise that work, actual human work, is the only thing of REAL value. money is just a symbol for amount of work done (wage dependant upon valuability of work preformed).

So essentially every single dollar that is spent comes from the roots of a humans work.

I really don't see a city like NYC being able to do that, which makes me wonder if you want to force them all to leave their city or to kill them.

kill them? im taking this as an attack as you should know by now (i am assuming you have read the whole thread) that i would never make a proposal such as that.

These changes would clearly need to come on slow and over a good period of time. I am just trying to rally more troops so the changes come on easier and smoother.

Want to join?

we will never have no environmental impact.

That is true. But the environment CAN clean itsself to an extent. But we have gone way past that. We are fucking shit up faster than it can repair itsself due to greed and a lack of governemntal control. Pay attention, i have said that on this thread before. Did you read it all yet?

Though it does seem like you are for wealth redistribution, but I can't really say for sure if you are or aren't, at least not complete wealth redistribution. It sounds like you just want to confiscate it over a certain level. I disagree with it. That's how we got stuck with the income tax. Our politicians told everyone that would just effect the rich, and now it effects any one that works. Any wealth redistribution will only line the government's pockets and screw over every one else.

Wow, you are still missing the point.

"Wealth redistribution" is wrong and i will agree. We are not all equal, and some people deserve more "money" for representation of their needed work for trade of goods but that "money should not be able to be used to buy a better quality of life.

Thats how we got stuck with income tax? are you kidding me? we found out at the dawn of civilization that income tax is 100% neccesary.. you talk of income tax as if it just came around in the past decade.

My government takes more money from me than the U.s. takes from its citizens, and because of it i now have a better quality of life. I can take all the money in the world but that will not make me able to preform my own operations... not the greatest analogy but you can get what i mean by it.

Equality.
Equal Quality for All
Equality, Equality, Equality


Get it?


Want to join?

 

[chuckbane]

My mom gets it because she's disabled.She can't earn a wage.She deserves to have some means of sustenance. I help when I can, but I'm not rich.She gets 600 and some odd dollars a month.It pays her bills, but doesn't buy food.For that she qualifies for 34 dollars in food stamps.

600 a month... wow... this is what i am talking about. maybe the gov. should scrimp on a few billions on that shit war and give more to the people who need it

 

[Dankdude]

When you lay down with the lesser of two evils, you still lay down with evil.