Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks

[twostrokenut]

Denmark has a minimum wage that was negotiated between trade unions and industries. There is no state-mandated minimum wage, which is why you are confused on this subject.

The min you reference is actually an average min, not a floor... You learned something that's actually been covered already.. Maybe third times the charm.

 

[Tim Fox]

Several super markets I shop at have REMOVED the self service check outs,, i guess they didnt work as they were supposed too, lol,, besided I always went thru the lines with Real People checking me out,,

 

[Fogdog]

The min you reference is actually an average min, not a floor... You learned something.

Wow, all that computing power and information available and you just keep saying ignorant things. The $20 minimum wage was negotiated and agreed upon by the workers' union and the fast food industry. Go slow and sound out the following. I won't say you will learn anything but might pick up a fact.

This from the NY Times:

Denmark has no minimum-wage law. But Mr. Elofsson's $20 an hour is the lowest the fast-food industry can pay under an agreement between Denmark's 3F union, the nation's largest, and the Danish employers group Horesta, which includes Burger King, McDonald's, Starbucks and other restaurant and hotel companies.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Obama couldn't run so that's pretty hypothetical. If he were running you can be sure the Republican party would have been barraging him from day one of his second term to drag down the approval rating.

Are you also of the opinion that Bernie would have beaten Trump? Just asking. No real agenda in the question. I'm not sure if Bernie could have pulled it off. He didn't have as deep an organization as Clinton and he wasn't polling well in non-white groups in the party. Black and Hispanic voters had gone strongly to Clinton during the primaries.

Do you think the major issues that turned the rust belt were immigration or TPP and trade policies or something else?

Yes I believe Bernie would have beaten Trump. Head to head polling towards the end of the primary had Bernie up by 10-15 points on Trump, while Hillary was only up by 2+/-....which is the margin she won by.

As for the mindset of rust belt voters, it boiled down to one thing IMO; Hillary represented establishment politics, and Trump represented change. A lot of those same folks voted for Obama because he was a proponent for change (at least during the election cycle). Wether it was fair or not, Hillary was branded by all of the failures of Washington. She couldn't shake that no matter what she did.

 

[Tim Fox]

the nice thing about a wage increase for me,, is my House payment does not go up,, my car payment does not go up, , my cost of groceries or gas may,, but i dont drive much anymore,,
those of us who have most of thier payments on a Fixed system benefit from wage increases,,
my house payment of 800 dollars was expensive 20 years ago, but now its cheap, guess i will stay put

 

[Fogdog]

Yes I believe Bernie would have beaten Trump. Head to head polling towards the end of the primary had Bernie up by 10-15 points on Trump, while Hillary was only up by 2+/-....which is the margin she won by.

As for the mindset of rust belt voters, it boiled down to one thing IMO; Hillary represented establishment politics, and Trump represented change. A lot of those same folks voted for Obama because he was a proponent for change (at least during the election cycle). Wether it was fair or not, Hillary was branded by all of the failures of Washington. She couldn't shake that no matter what she did.

Just trying to understand what you mean. "establishment politics"? What are those?

 

[Tim Fox]

Bernie would have beaten Trump. Head to head

Yup,, and bernie had NO dirt ,, nothing trump could have slung in his face

 

[Uberknot]

Wow, all that computing power and information available and you just keep saying ignorant things. The $20 minimum wage was negotiated and agreed upon by the workers' union and the fast food industry. Go slow and sound out the following. I won't say you will learn anything but might pick up a fact.

This from the NY Times:

Denmark has no minimum-wage law. But Mr. Elofsson's $20 an hour is the lowest the fast-food industry can pay under an agreement between Denmark's 3F union, the nation's largest, and the Danish employers group Horesta, which includes Burger King, McDonald's, Starbucks and other restaurant and hotel companies.

Denmark actually cares about its people over corporations.

 

[spandy]

Several super markets I shop at have REMOVED the self service check outs,, i guess they didnt work as they were supposed too, lol,, besided I always went thru the lines with Real People checking me out,,

Some stores the interaction between workers and shoppers is part of the consumer experience and is as important as the quality and pricing of the products/services being offered.

Getting a crap burger real quick and getting the fuck out is more of a priority in the fast food biz on both ends.

 

[Tim Fox]

Some stores the interaction between workers and shoppers is part of the consumer experience and is as important as the quality and pricing of the products/services being offered.

Getting a crap burger real quick and getting the fuck out is more of a priority in the fast food biz on both ends.

i had a buddy who used to get pissed at the long lines at burger king,,,, he wished they had a single line for just the whopper meal ,,, step up whopper fry drink,, good bye

 

[twostrokenut]

Wow, all that computing power and information available and you just keep saying ignorant things. The $20 minimum wage was negotiated and agreed upon by the workers' union and the fast food industry. Go slow and sound out the following. I won't say you will learn anything but might pick up a fact.

This from the NY Times:

Denmark has no minimum-wage law. But Mr. Elofsson's $20 an hour is the lowest the fast-food industry can pay under an agreement between Denmark's 3F union, the nation's largest, and the Danish employers group Horesta, which includes Burger King, McDonald's, Starbucks and other restaurant and hotel companies.

Awesome. Abolish us min wage then and unionize your state like Denmark. I really would like to see that. Of course this means leave the other states alone, can't accept that though can you.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yup,, and bernie had NO dirt ,, nothing trump could have slung in his face

that's incredibly false.

bernie's wife defrauded the catholic church for $2 million dollars and gave herself a golden parachute. bernie was on tape with central american revolutionaries chanting "DEATH TO THE YANKEES". there are bernie's rape fantasy essays. he voted to dump toxic waste in hispanic neighborhoods. he voted to protect rapists once.

the oppo research file on him was huge.

a bunch of uneducated, unskilled, rural racists were not about to hop off the trump train to vote for a socialist jew either.

 

[UncleBuck]

Some stores the interaction between workers and shoppers is part of the consumer experience and is as important as the quality and pricing of the products/services being offered.

Getting a crap burger real quick and getting the fuck out is more of a priority in the fast food biz on both ends.

post a picture of your elbow so we can see how fat you are, neo-nazi.

 

[spandy]

i had a buddy who used to get pissed at the long lines at burger king,,,, he wished they had a single line for just the whopper meal ,,, step up whopper fry drink,, good bye

Dont all those places premake the hot items and keep them on a warmer?

 

[UncleBuck]

Awesome. Abolish us min wage then and unionize your state like Denmark. I really would like to see that. Of course this means leave the other states alone, can't accept that though can you.

you just want to see other people join you in poverty, boy.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Just trying to understand what you mean. "establishment politics"? What are those?

Representing the will of corporate America instead of the will of the people. I don't think it's any great secret that big business interests have shaped policy for the last 30+ years. When Trump started talking about getting lobbyists out of DC and banning politicians from lobbying for a period of time, it played very well with the average American.

 

[Fogdog]

Awesome. Abolish us min wage then and unionize your state like Denmark. I really would like to see that. Of course this means leave the other states alone, can't accept that though can you.

As usual, your post is devoid of thought. Non-government unions represent a fraction of the US workforce. In the US, increases in the minimum wage would have to come from a government mandate.

Edit: Oregon (my state) passed a minimum wage law that will mandate $14.75/hr wage in metropolitan areas by 2022. Just saying that I'm all on board for this. Even if it means a couple of quarters more for a burger.

 

[st0wandgrow]

bernie's wife defrauded the catholic church for $2 million dollars and gave herself a golden parachute.

200k is a golden parachute? Kinda pales in comparison to the 10's of millions of dollars that Hillary's banking buddies regularly see when they get the boot.

bernie was on tape with central american revolutionaries chanting "DEATH TO THE YANKEES".

Bernie was chanting that, or is this guilt by association?

there are bernie's rape fantasy essays.

Link?

he voted to dump toxic waste in hispanic neighborhoods.

Link?

he voted to protect rapists once.

Which bill? I think I know which one you're referring to...and if so, there was a very valid reason for doing so.

the oppo research file on him was huge.

It pales in comparison to the long list of Hillary transgressions.

a bunch of uneducated, unskilled, rural racists were not about to hop off the trump train to vote for a socialist jew either.

So those racist people were willing to vote for a black man, but wouldn't have voted for Sanders?? Wow, those dummies sure have incredibly complex criteria for discrimination.

 

[Fogdog]

200k is a golden parachute? Kinda pales in comparison to the 10's of millions of dollars that Hillary's banking buddies regularly see when they get the boot.



Bernie was chanting that, or is this guilt by association?



Link?



Link?



Which bill? I think I know which one you're referring to...and if so, there was a very valid reason for doing so.



It pales in comparison to the long list of Hillary transgressions.



So those racist people were willing to vote for a black man, but wouldn't have voted for Sanders?? Wow, those dummies sure have incredibly complex criteria for discrimination.

You know that the Right Wing isn't constrained to tell the truth or be factual? All that Buck is pointing out is that Bernie wasn't perfectly clean in fact. Once the right wing echo chamber got going, his wife's activities would have included black cauldrons stewing babies in the back room of the library. Or some such nonsense. Just one sound bite at the right time (like Dean's scream) could be all it takes to take down a relatively unknown politician like Bernie. Also Bernie does not have the charisma or speaking skills that Obama has.

I voted for Bernie and wish him well in his efforts at bringing sanity into the Senate. It's my guess that his agenda would have competed well against Trump's. But we can't know what the Right would have dredged or made up about Bernie. Let's also not forget the interference by the FBI either. Bernie's organization wasn't nearly as deep, well funded or organized as Clinton's in terms of the "bring out the vote". While I can't say with certainty that Bernie would have lost, I think it's one of the things we will never know.

 

[st0wandgrow]

You know that the Right Wing isn't constrained to tell the truth or be factual? All that Buck is pointing out is that Bernie wasn't perfectly clean in fact. Once the right wing echo chamber got going, his wife's activities would have included black cauldrons stewing babies in the back room of the library. Or some such nonsense. Just one sound bite at the right time (like Dean's scream) could be all it takes to take down a relatively unknown politician like Bernie. Also Bernie does not have the charisma or speaking skills that Obama has.

I voted for Bernie and wish him well in his efforts at bringing sanity into the Senate. It's my guess that his agenda would have competed well against Trump's. But we can't know what the Right would have dredged or made up about Bernie. Let's also not forget the interference by the FBI either. Bernie's organization wasn't nearly as deep, well funded or organized as Clinton's in terms of the "bring out the vote". While I can't say with certainty that Bernie would have lost, I think it's one of the things we will never know.

Sure, the right would have found something negative to focus on, but they do that with everyone. Where I feel Bernie would have done well is he would have forced Trump to debate him on policy. Bernie may not have been deep on fundraising and infrastructure, but he was very deep on policy and knowledge. He refused to sling mud at Hillary, and I believe he would have done the same with Trump. It would have created such an obvious contrast between the two...one guy spouting personal attacks and misinformation, and the other schooling his opponent on policy. It would have been a treat to witness.