'The Irony Is Delicious..'

[see4]

Just because you couldn't see how unelectable and deplorable that cunt is, don't blame the millions of voters who desperately vote for a 3rd party candidate. The entire country should have voted Jill Stein after Bernie bitched out... I don't criticize anybody's vote...its their right bit IMO ~ it was Bernie, Stein, Johnson, Trump, Clinton ..in that order.

I'm not criticizing anyone's vote. But a vote for Johnson and Stein was a vote for Hillary. It's not debatable, it's simply a fact. I'm not looking at it from a subjective point of view, I'm merely looking at it from a statistical point of view.

 

[see4]

Obama was a huge bust, he ran on change.. He changed nothing..he was Bush part 3, huge scumbag . if Obama had balls \Brains he'd have evacuated the middle east the first 90 days of office, he'd have shoved a single payer policy down the GOP throat when he had the senate and congressional numbers. He'd have legalized weed and end this absurd drug war.

I disagree. And more emphatically I would argue that Obama was not able to do what he wanted, which would have provided a lot more change as your refer, but had this little tiny problem of the Republican party stymieing every action he took. Including up to the ability of appointing a Supreme Court Justice, which was his constitutional right. The Republican party had everything to do with the perceived failure of the Obama administration.

I do agree he could have done more in the first 100 days in office. And he did push for single payer, all the Democrats did. The Republican party unconstitutionally filibustered a record number of times before eventually conning the nation into a Republican run Senate and House.

 

[vfwvn]

Starts with the "First Ammendment"

 

[schuylaar]

We sort of agree.

My point is, Hillary has nobody to blame but herself for running a poor campaign. And the people have nobody to blame but themselves for voting Drumpf into office.

Why is there blame?

This was a contest..two enter; one leaves as victor..it's just that your 'in the bag' candidate, wasn't..

Those who mocked and ridiculed Sanders supporters are the butthurt of today.

Remember this next time, before you insist on thinking for us.

Hillary was THE only way..yeah, the only way to lose!

I sincerely hopes she stops running for president..the people OBVI don't want her.

 

[ttystikk]

Why is there blame?

This was a contest..two enter; one leaves as victor..it's just that your 'in the bag' candidate, wasn't..

Those who mocked and ridiculed Sanders supporters are the butthurt of today.

Remember this next time, before you insist on thinking for us.

Hillary was THE only way..yeah, the only way to lose!

I sincerely hopes she stops running for president..the people OBVI don't want her.

She won't get my vote again.

 

[Corso312]

She won't get my vote again.

She's too old to run again, the party wouldn't let her anyway.. She lost to a reality TV clown . Snooki could beat her in 2020

 

[Corso312]

I'm not criticizing anyone's vote. But a vote for Johnson and Stein was a vote for Hillary. It's not debatable, it's simply a fact. I'm not looking at it from a subjective point of view, I'm merely looking at it from a statistical point of view.

What really pisses me off is that Bernie had every opportunity to say" I'm being cheated" I'm running independent, he could have been the first person in history to be a legitimate 3rd party candidate... It would have created a real 3rd party for all future elections.

 

[ttystikk]

She's too old to run again, the party wouldn't let her anyway.. She lost to a reality TV clown . Snooki could beat her in 2020

FFS DON'T SAY THINGS LIKE THAT!

 

[see4]

What really pisses me off is that Bernie had every opportunity to say" I'm being cheated" I'm running independent, he could have been the first person in history to be a legitimate 3rd party candidate... It would have created a real 3rd party for all future elections.

I agree. He should have run as a 3rd party. I would have voted for him in a tight race.

Since we are on the "what we should have done" argument, I'd like to add we should have gotten rid of Citizens United. That should be our first priority. Then revisit Electoral College.

 

[see4]

Why is there blame?

This was a contest..two enter; one leaves as victor..it's just that your 'in the bag' candidate, wasn't..

Those who mocked and ridiculed Sanders supporters are the butthurt of today.

Remember this next time, before you insist on thinking for us.

Hillary was THE only way..yeah, the only way to lose!

I sincerely hopes she stops running for president..the people OBVI don't want her.

Two don't enter. That's the point.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

What really pisses me off is that Bernie had every opportunity to say" I'm being cheated" I'm running independent, he could have been the first person in history to be a legitimate 3rd party candidate... It would have created a real 3rd party for all future elections.

There is a lot more than just running needed to make one a viable third party candidate. Bernie didn't have a party behind him (I mean the DNC). That's a big problem. I hope there will be some serious house cleaning there but it is too early to say.

 

[ttystikk]

I agree. He should have run as a 3rd party. I would have voted for him in a tight race.

Since we are on the "what we should have done" argument, I'd like to add we should have gotten rid of Citizens United. That should be our first priority. Then revisit Electoral College.

Agreed on all counts.

I understand why Bernie refused to run as an independent. No one can blame him for losing the Dems the election.

Indeed the Democratic Party has no one to blame but itself.

I think we should see them ditch the 'super delegates', that's just an establishment racket that interferes with the right of the People to choose their own leaders.

 

[Fogdog]

Symptoms of a larger trend of increasing income inequality and with it an increase in wealth inequality. As these trends accelerate everyone left behind feels the pinch- and that's nearly everyone.

So how is wealth inequality necessary, or even acceptable if it damages so many families? I submit it is not an ideal to strive for, but rather a danger to be avoided.

This has been a problem with capitalist economies since it's inception.

I think we are headed towards more, not less income inequality in spite of what is said by the alt right government.

 

[Fogdog]

and people still wanting to vote for Sanders and doing so, also people just saying FUCK IT and stayed home. Now we prepare for the age of Trump. Looking now to see what he is going to do for small businesses. Got to make those lemons into some kick ass lemonade.

It was Clinton's and the DNC's job to persuade them and they did not. Also completely missed out in convincing stressed working class voters in general. MI, WI, PA and OH were toss up states that Clinton's team thought was in the bag. Those working class voters didn't think she was better than Trump.

Just telling people that Trump would be worse worked for me but not for millions who thought Clinton was sketchy. Shenanigans between her campaign and the DNC only made things worse for people already biased against her.

 

[Bear420]

Rigged,

 

[schuylaar]

She's too old to run again, the party wouldn't let her anyway.. She lost to a reality TV clown . Snooki could beat her in 2020

There is no age requirement other than the minimum; there is no maximum.

 

[schuylaar]

What really pisses me off is that Bernie had every opportunity to say" I'm being cheated" I'm running independent, he could have been the first person in history to be a legitimate 3rd party candidate... It would have created a real 3rd party for all future elections.

He couldn't because at that time, the evidence was here-say.

It is only until the EMs from Wiki and Russia were released that there was concrete.

 

[londonfog]

It was Clinton's and the DNC's job to persuade them and they did not. Also completely missed out in convincing stressed working class voters in general. MI, WI, PA and OH were toss up states that Clinton's team thought was in the bag. Those working class voters didn't think she was better than Trump.

Just telling people that Trump would be worse worked for me but not for millions who thought Clinton was sketchy. Shenanigans between her campaign and the DNC only made things worse for people already biased against her.

I do blame Hillary for not stomping harder in places like Wisconsin. I myself thought people would understand how important to not elect the unknown and unpredictable Trump, so now we will see what we have in store for America

 

[londonfog]

What really pisses me off is that Bernie had every opportunity to say" I'm being cheated" I'm running independent, he could have been the first person in history to be a legitimate 3rd party candidate... It would have created a real 3rd party for all future elections.

Bernie voted fro Hillary. He was with her, but his supporters let him down.

 

[twostrokenut]

Clinton's lead in the popular vote is approaching 2 million people, just saying, hers were losses at the state level and not overall.

If one can believe the results in the popular vote represent anything, in spite of all her baggage, she was still the better candidate to the majority of voters.

Not really. She did not win the majority of the popular vote. 52.3% of all voters supported anti-Hillary candidates. Fact is the majority of voters were anti-Hillary.