Am i ready to flush

[Afgan King]

I love you dude but therebis n plenty of evidence of aphagy in plants that are starved. I believe it is irresponsible to push flush or fade on a new grower.

Lol whatever you say you average 2.3 a light? Cuz we do and we starve em you heard of jungle Boyz in Cali like the best growers period guess what also start and use ice to mimic first frost like me too this plants different buddy it just is

 

[CannaBruh]

Fair enough, learn to grow a solid plant first. Actually, I still subscribe to "dowhatevathefuckyouwannado" and learn from those before and from your own doing. Although some of these feed to end/starving "facts" just aren't that, they are anecdotes, which may be true in that specific context, but in another may fall flat.

I don't think the plants grow much in the last weeks, just note the pistils. New calyx = pistils, and they're mostly died off (swelling calyx). I don't see the value added in continuing to pour money literally into the food at the end, and that's not even the main driver of why I "starve". I do it because in my anecdotal experiences it has yielded a higher quality, compared to when I feed through. These are just observations and experiences, not sold as facts.

It's also a fact that cannabis is a gateway drug, can lead to men growing breasts, impotence, sterility, mental disorders etc... these were all facts sold to me as a child that I found to not be the case, again dissonant to what my experiences informed me of.

 

[Afgan King]

So lemme understand this, just so I'm not completely missing something;

To feed to the end is to spend $ on food to feed the plants, no?

If to "starve" is myth... and no discernible difference detected, who is smarter, those who continue to pay to feed the plants at no discernible difference than those who feed water, or those that simply starve the plant?

To suggest to any human to not experiment and reach their own conclusions is the only thing that is irresponsible imo, with all due respect.

That's all I'm saying really and to me there's no reason that these plants being fed at 2500ppm in weeks 6-8 can't have enough nutes stored for two watering of ph water

 

[CannaBruh]

I also do the cold night root zones to influence appearance value of the flowers, it's real and not a myth.

 

[Bbcchance]

Wow, seems like this flush thread actually has some agreements going on...im very surprised! Well discussed gentlemen, hopefully the lock pops up before we all resort to standard poop throwing!

 

[Resinhound]

That's wrong organic and salt based nutrients work in two different ways. One uses the soil web , the other bypasses it , feeding the plant directly, there is a huge difference in flavors and terps.

Sorry this is a matter of opinion about taste and terps, doesn't matter if the food web is involved or not. The exact same ion uptake occurs at the root level, synthetic or organic.

 

[bgmike8]

I can't help but name call when a completely fucking ignorant person just parrots some shit they just read on growweedeasy.Com

So far this thread has been good.

I'm not saying that there isn't something to fading. I just don't think it's good at this point in my learning.
It just seems that anytime your plants begin aphagy it cant be good. Now if there was real research on whether it is detrimental to do this in last week I would love that. If the benefits outweigh the negatives then that's great. But no way does fading affect the smoke.

And no way does flushing.

Now you guys that fade have more experience than i. That is true. But I can't help but think that instead of the 2.2 a light maybe you could get 2.3. 2.5??

That would have to be worth the nute cost? Where I'm at a quarter ounce Pays for gh flora 3 part gallons.

 

[bgmike8]

Sorry this is a matter of opinion about taste and terps, doesn't matter if the food web is involved or not. The exact same ion uptake occurs at the root level, synthetic or organic.

This is my initial belief as well but I am not educated enough to be sure and to argue it yet. I'm working on it.

 

[RM3]

This is my initial belief as well but I am not educated enough to be sure and to argue it yet. I'm working on it.

The difference is mostly in available minerals as opposed to nutes. But I'm in soiless usin salts and for the minerals I simply add Azomite to my peat mix which gives the same taste and terps ya get from organic soil

 

[Dr. Who]

No attack to your character. However if you read stuff other than weed sites you will learn more and more about what happens when you starve a plant.
Also there is good reason that no one is doing flushing experiments. I too was looking for research. As @Dr. Who pointed out, I won't find any because the whole premise is flawed.

Anyone who truly know how plants work wouldn't test that because the plant biology doesn't work that way.

Now I'm not saying I'm an expert. Obviously I am not. BUT I am learning and it makes much more sense to me now.


You have to forget about the myth and the ancedotal info. And the side by sides.
You have to learn how nutrients work and how a plant functions and then you will see that it just isn't possible so why waste time on experiments.

Also if you eat a bunch of shit like I do, there is no flushing it out. There is no Mt dew and McDonald's stored in my body outside of what I just ate in the n last day. It is converted to energy and fat.
So if I start flushing I'm just burning fat. Not Mt dew and big macs.

And for faders., if I just drink water I will lose weight but my metabolism will slow and I will lose some from muscle as well.

OH! I like how you put this Mike!

 

[bgmike8]

Lol whatever you say you average 2.3 a light? Cuz we do and we starve em you heard of jungle Boyz in Cali like the best growers period guess what also start and use ice to mimic first frost like me too this plants different buddy it just is

I haven't checked them out yet. You mentioned the. Before. Just not enough time . I have a straight job and family.... never enough time.

I've seen your shit and you've helped me with other problems I've had. I've seen you take shit before from people and I didn't quite understand why. I definetly don't have a problem with you.

And while weed is different I still don't think that it is so different that it won't slow growth of bud when it is nutrient deficient and sugar starved .

Research here would be great.

It could be that you are a great grower and produce great things but still missing out on 5% of something.

It's like some guys in the joint are fucking huge and they do bench press everyday. So new guys start working out and do chest every day and they get big.

Now we know for sure from science that this is not the best workout plan for OPTIMAL growth. But try telling that to a big ass meat head

 

[bgmike8]

OH! I like how you put this Mike!

Lol. Well I'm learning. You and others have been a Great help. As I said in that thank you thread, I must have saved years on learning that I couldn't do without this site.

I don't know why but it burns me so fucking bad seeing the disinformation out there.
I mean I was a month away from flushing my first harvest. So glad I didnt.

Good thread here except for one but he hasn't come back. Lol.

I think all you fine growers should subscribe to my journal in my signature.....

 

[CannaBruh]

you can completely crash your diet with minimal to zero risk of metabolic shutdown, so long as you are feeding your body the adequate protein and stimulating the muscles to maintain, this has been proven over and over albeit again anecdotally, we see the same with plants, year after year. Even when completely on a severe deficit, the metabolism never "shuts down", i

If all of a sudden I stop feeding my plants in the last weeks nothing drastic happens as compared to the same strain in controlled situation fed through the same duration, this has been tried again and again, and if it were "fact" we'd have irrefutable evidence by way of side by sides documented, vetted and peer reviewed, however we find we have threads where some say this others say that, who is wrong? If your bud is fire, good keep doing what ya do, but don't sell people short on some "5% missing" you better be bringing your AAA+ nugs with some comments like that.

 

[Chorse]

Wow, seems like this flush thread actually has some agreements going on...im very surprised! Well discussed gentlemen, hopefully the lock pops up before we all resort to standard poop throwing!

I was going to throw poop at your flush at transition suggestion, but restrained myself.

 

[Yodaweed]

Sorry this is a matter of opinion about taste and terps, doesn't matter if the food web is involved or not. The exact same ion uptake occurs at the root level, synthetic or organic.

Guess you don't understand what a symbiotic relationship is and how much more diverse the food web is compared to salt nutrients.

 

[Yodaweed]

The difference is mostly in available minerals as opposed to nutes. But I'm in soiless usin salts and for the minerals I simply add Azomite to my peat mix which gives the same taste and terps ya get from organic soil

You probably get a good flavor , but you don't get the same flavor that a no-till organic grower would. Different methods produce different flavors and terps.

 

[bgmike8]

you can completely crash your diet with minimal to zero risk of metabolic shutdown, so long as you are feeding your body the adequate protein and stimulating the muscles to maintain, this has been proven over and over albeit again anecdotally, we see the same with plants, year after year. Even when completely on a severe deficit, the metabolism never "shuts down", i

If all of a sudden I stop feeding my plants in the last weeks nothing drastic happens as compared to the same strain in controlled situation fed through the same duration, this has been tried again and again, and if it were "fact" we'd have irrefutable evidence by way of side by sides documented, vetted and peer reviewed, however we find we have threads where some say this others say that, who is wrong? If your bud is fire, good keep doing what ya do, but don't sell people short on some "5% missing" you better be bringing your AAA+ nugs with some comments like that.

If you've done the side by side I'd like to look at it. I'd like to see experiments done on this. I'm not completely dismissing it.

It is a fact that if you eat zero calories your metabolism will slow. You have to eat something. It has to be more than just your stores. Same with plants

 

[Yodaweed]

If you've done the side by side I'd like to look at it. I'd like to see experiments done on this. I'm not completely dismissing it.

It is a fact that if you eat zero calories your metabolism will slow. You have to eat something. It has to be more than just your stores. Same with plants

plants aren't humans they work totally different why do you compare them to us?

 

[RM3]

You probably get a good flavor , but you don't get the same flavor that a no-till organic grower would. Different methods produce different flavors and terps.

Absolutely, every garden is different. Over at my place we have a lot of growers in dif locations growin with dif styles that have all grown the Clone only Blue Dream cut and each one is different even though it is the same clone

 

[CannaBruh]

If you've done the side by side I'd like to look at it. I'd like to see experiments done on this. I'm not completely dismissing it.

It is a fact that if you eat zero calories your metabolism will slow. You have to eat something. It has to be more than just your stores. Same with plants

Can you quantify "slow"? It is in vs out, if you have stores, your body will run through them. It will not just put thermal processes on hold because you slowed down intake. Slow, sure, discernibly so? Dunno man people losing weight managing calories all the time, I'm pulling down beautifully dieted plants that went on severe cuts at the end of life, metabolism sure didn't stop there either.