bi polar express
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I suffered HEAVY losses from rippers last year and I'm still sad about it not saying I would of killed them just would of been nice to hit them with my shovel a few times
I found an outdoor grow in ca
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Michael Huntherz
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Fuckin' tough guys. Try being a smart guy. They run this shit. /thread
word, I don't begrudge that.I suffered HEAVY losses from rippers last year and I'm still sad about it not saying I would of killed them just would of been nice to hit them with my shovel a few times
Indacouch
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It's sad that people would take anything that wasn't there's ...I personally wouldn't ever take a life for a crop ...but a shovel and an extension chord are always laying around in key places ....like I mentioned before I've had trouble over the years and I've had rippers drop there bag and rip there pants completely in half going over the fence ........but the sad thing is .....there's people who will kill without issue ....which is sad a plant is not worth a life ....but the main issue the city nearest to me has with outdoor growing is they say it's mainly because of violent crimes due to people having/protecting gardens ........I'm not saying a good whack with a shovel wouldn't be in the cards but I'd never kill for pot .....but I'm not in it for money at all just medicine .......shady people growing to get rich are the same as the people stealing to get rich of course in different ways but none the less usually there the ones giving a bad rap on mmj .............which is sad because there's lots of good people who need medicine and great large scale growers doing it just for that fact .....yet we all get a mark when the greedy/bad growers and rippers stir up trouble ...........I'd never touch a plant that wasn't mine even if I knew I'd never get caught public land or otherwise .....anybody who would fill there pockets by stealing someone else's hard work is a fuckin scum bag IMOI suffered HEAVY losses from rippers last year and I'm still sad about it not saying I would of killed them just would of been nice to hit them with my shovel a few times
VTMi'kmaq
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We belong to nature not vice versa.....if you steal expect to be stolen from or worse. Just the way things are in this existance. The only thing id consider taking home if i found it in the woods are 1. Leprachan. Sorry bout my spelling
2. Unicorn
3. Super hot redhead who's sane, single, and not money hungry.....
All seem impossible to find as of yet lmao
2. Unicorn
3. Super hot redhead who's sane, single, and not money hungry.....
All seem impossible to find as of yet lmao
Uberknot
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Yeah it's such hard work to toss some seeds into public forests and come back when it's done....
Also show me the totals of people killed in the last 10 years since it's so common.
Basically all I have seen is a lot of hyperbole so far in this thread.
And just so we understand each other.
Public land is paid for by PUBLIC TAXES.
VTMi'kmaq
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I do see your point about not taking a life over a plant to an extent. Man has overpopulated this planet. If those who have been given the blessing of life decide to use it to steal, rob, cheat etc i wouldnt lose sleep. They wont find cancers cure looking for shit to steal right?
Uberknot
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Poisoned Parks: Illegal Marijuana Growers Leave National Parks Trashed, Animals Dead
It’s being dubbed the “green rush,” a movement in California to get one green from another: cash from marijuana.
With half a million marijuana plants recovered on U.S. Forest Service land in California so far this year, illegal pot grow sites at national parks have begun to take a toll on the surrounding wildlife and environment the public pays to protect.
New Effort to Legalize Marijuana in California Under Way
The issue goes beyond the politics of pot. It doesn’t matter what they’re growing -- it could be strawberries or corn -- it’s how they’re growing it that’s killing wildlife, tainting water supplies and endangering hikers at national parks.
Sequoia National Forest and Kings Canyon, just east of Fresno, have become the new ground zero for marijuana growing on public land.
Statewide Journey: Environmental Impacts of Illegal Pot Sites at National ParksStatewide Journey: Environmental Impacts of Illegal Pot Sites at National Parks
NBC Bay Area’s Investigative Unit rode along with the Fresno County Sheriff’s Department’s Marijuana Eradication Task Force last month on a bust of a grow site just yards from Kings Canyon, where they discovered shotguns, 280 marijuana plants and large containers of poison used to protect the crops.
“It’s a huge problem,” said Lt. Rick Ko, who heads up the task force. “It’s almost an epidemic.”
So far this year, the task force has identified more than 500 grow sites on or near the national parks and seized about 2,400 plants, which is more than double the total for all of last year.
It’s being dubbed the “green rush,” a movement in California to get one green from another: cash from marijuana.
With half a million marijuana plants recovered on U.S. Forest Service land in California so far this year, illegal pot grow sites at national parks have begun to take a toll on the surrounding wildlife and environment the public pays to protect.
New Effort to Legalize Marijuana in California Under Way
The issue goes beyond the politics of pot. It doesn’t matter what they’re growing -- it could be strawberries or corn -- it’s how they’re growing it that’s killing wildlife, tainting water supplies and endangering hikers at national parks.
Sequoia National Forest and Kings Canyon, just east of Fresno, have become the new ground zero for marijuana growing on public land.
Statewide Journey: Environmental Impacts of Illegal Pot Sites at National ParksStatewide Journey: Environmental Impacts of Illegal Pot Sites at National Parks
NBC Bay Area’s Investigative Unit rode along with the Fresno County Sheriff’s Department’s Marijuana Eradication Task Force last month on a bust of a grow site just yards from Kings Canyon, where they discovered shotguns, 280 marijuana plants and large containers of poison used to protect the crops.
“It’s a huge problem,” said Lt. Rick Ko, who heads up the task force. “It’s almost an epidemic.”
So far this year, the task force has identified more than 500 grow sites on or near the national parks and seized about 2,400 plants, which is more than double the total for all of last year.
Uberknot
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And those environmental crimes are having deadly effects on nearly-endangered species, like the Pacific Fisher.
Scientists at the California Animal Health and Food Safety Lab at UC Davis have made a life’s work of tracking the six-to-eight pound weasel-like mammal as it inches toward extinction. There are only 300 left in California.
Daly City Man Claims 500 Pot Plants Were For "Personal Use"
“These are rare and elusive animals,” said Mourad Gabriel, a scientist at UC Davis. Gabriel has micro-chipped and tracked fishers, studying the causes of mortality since 2007 in order to determine if the species should be on the endangered species list.
Gabriel’s most recent research has found 86 percent of Fishers he’s studying on and around Yosemite National Park, Sierra National Forest, and the Hoopa Valley Reservation near Eureka have been exposed to a poison called second generation anticoagulant rodenticide (SGAR) in their habitats. Toxicology reports show six have died from consuming it.
To view a map of where the fishers were exposed, click here.
The only possible location of the poison is in the animals’ habitats: on illegal marijuana grow sites on tribal and public lands, like national parks.
All the deaths occurred between April and June, which is prime time for marijuana planting in California, when growers are concerned with protecting younger plants from animals.
“What we know is there is a massive use of toxicants out there,” Gabriel said.
The SGAR pesticides are so acutely poisonous, according to Gabriel, that a quarter teaspoon can kill a 500 pound lion. He’s seen pot farmers use up to 50 times that amount on a single plant to keep animals away from their crops.
“These have been specifically banned for a wide array of reasons, but one of them is the malicious poisoning that we’re seeing out there for our wildlife,” Gabriel said.
According to the State Department of Pesticide Regulation (DPR), it is illegal to use SGARs on agriculture. Their permissible uses are on and around buildings and by extermination companies, yet they are still readily available in stores and being used prevalently by marijuana growers.
Click here to view the allowable uses.
“It’s a direct poisoning with a restricted-use chemical,” Gabriel said. “It’s an illegal use of this toxicant and it’s not a logical use.”
The Department of Pesticide Regulation defines SGAR as more potent than first generation: It only takes one dose to kill an animal. They also last longer than first generation rodenticides, meaning an SGAR can live in an animal’s body for up to a year, as opposed to two days of a first generation.
Scientists at the California Animal Health and Food Safety Lab at UC Davis have made a life’s work of tracking the six-to-eight pound weasel-like mammal as it inches toward extinction. There are only 300 left in California.
Daly City Man Claims 500 Pot Plants Were For "Personal Use"
“These are rare and elusive animals,” said Mourad Gabriel, a scientist at UC Davis. Gabriel has micro-chipped and tracked fishers, studying the causes of mortality since 2007 in order to determine if the species should be on the endangered species list.
Gabriel’s most recent research has found 86 percent of Fishers he’s studying on and around Yosemite National Park, Sierra National Forest, and the Hoopa Valley Reservation near Eureka have been exposed to a poison called second generation anticoagulant rodenticide (SGAR) in their habitats. Toxicology reports show six have died from consuming it.
To view a map of where the fishers were exposed, click here.
The only possible location of the poison is in the animals’ habitats: on illegal marijuana grow sites on tribal and public lands, like national parks.
All the deaths occurred between April and June, which is prime time for marijuana planting in California, when growers are concerned with protecting younger plants from animals.
“What we know is there is a massive use of toxicants out there,” Gabriel said.
The SGAR pesticides are so acutely poisonous, according to Gabriel, that a quarter teaspoon can kill a 500 pound lion. He’s seen pot farmers use up to 50 times that amount on a single plant to keep animals away from their crops.
“These have been specifically banned for a wide array of reasons, but one of them is the malicious poisoning that we’re seeing out there for our wildlife,” Gabriel said.
According to the State Department of Pesticide Regulation (DPR), it is illegal to use SGARs on agriculture. Their permissible uses are on and around buildings and by extermination companies, yet they are still readily available in stores and being used prevalently by marijuana growers.
Click here to view the allowable uses.
“It’s a direct poisoning with a restricted-use chemical,” Gabriel said. “It’s an illegal use of this toxicant and it’s not a logical use.”
The Department of Pesticide Regulation defines SGAR as more potent than first generation: It only takes one dose to kill an animal. They also last longer than first generation rodenticides, meaning an SGAR can live in an animal’s body for up to a year, as opposed to two days of a first generation.
Indacouch
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Hey if you are ok with being a ripper and wana be blind to the fact that people die in back yards and in national forests pretty regularly that's on you .....and if all you do is toss seeds and hope for the best ......that's probably why your ok with stealing in the first place cause you have no clue on how to grow good medicine if your tossing seeds and hoping for the best .........you sound extremely dumb trying to argue the fact that there's no violence around growing ........legit growers can't even have/buy guns that have never been in trouble with the law .....it's not because there afraid a grower is guna poach a turkey it's........so good luck on your seed tossing technique and don't steal what isn't yours
Uberknot
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And if a predator preys on an infected animal, the poison can affect that species as well.
DPR is currently considering making SGAR California Restricted Materials, meaning they would only be available to certified applicators.
Click here to view DPR's assessment of SGAR
“If we’re finding it in the Fisher, we can extrapolate to so many different species,” Gabriel said.
Gabriel calls the fisher the “species of light” because he believes the fishers’ deaths will shed light on a bigger issue: the fatal effects of SGARs on wildlife.
Gabriel has found at least two endangered spotted owls have been exposed to the toxicants and scientists fear the Sierra Nevada red fox and Humboldt marten are also at risk, since they share the same environment.
The Investigative Unit traveled to Gabriel’s Humboldt lab where in the nearby Sierra Forest and on the Hoopa Valley Reservation he and biologist Mark Higley set up cameras to track the fishers.
To see more video of the fishers view click here.
The Unit hiked into one of those recently abandoned marijuana grow sites to see piles of trash and containers of pesticide left after growers finished the season’s crop, in the middle of the fishers’ habitat and close to the water supply.
“It’s basically flowing with the water and then it’s picked up by those species that can use it most readily,” Higley told NBC Bay Area on the hike.
Higley says the poisons, trash and fertilizer can travel in the water that is used by hikers and locals.
This study shows how these chemicals and algae in the water that can be toxic to animals and humans.
“I don't want to drink out of the creek now and come home and not wake back up,” said Dawn Blake, a member of the Hoopa Valley Tribe who lives on the reservation.
Blake believes it’s only a matter of time before toxicants in the water could make those in her community sick.
“They are specifically targeting animals and anything that can kill a bear is going to kill me as well,” Blake said. “Marijuana operations are destroying the landscape.”
Last year the state group called the Joint Task Force Domestic Support Counterdrug spent $23 million hunting down and seizing marijuana plants on public land in California as well, but little public funding is set aside for clean-up of the trash and poison left behind.
“They are killing the animals and killing the forest and they don’t care,” said Rick Fleming, a hiker who heads up the volunteer group the High Sierra Trail Crew to clean up the grow sites. “And you know that’s the reason we volunteer.”
Fleming believes the state should give more funding to the cleanup, not just the seizing of the plants, because that’s what’s impacting the environment.
Fleming says the biggest challenge is getting to the sites.
“They don't want to be detected, so you have to hike in miles or be brought in by helicopter in order to get there,” Fleming said. “Then you have to bag everything up.”
The former leader of the High Sierra Trail Crew, Shane Krogen, was killed in September after falling out of a helicopter when trying to clean up a site.
“I don’t believe they have the right to go out there and trash my forest,” Fleming said with emotion in reference to his friend’s death. “The national forests and the national parks are our legacy and they are being trashed.”
That legacy of resources and wildlife protected in our national parks is being harmed by illegal growers.
“The rest of our nation is not fully aware of what’s happening here in California, and it just doesn’t affect our state,” Gabriel told NBC Bay Area. “These are our national treasures, these are our national forests.”
DPR is currently considering making SGAR California Restricted Materials, meaning they would only be available to certified applicators.
Click here to view DPR's assessment of SGAR
“If we’re finding it in the Fisher, we can extrapolate to so many different species,” Gabriel said.
Gabriel calls the fisher the “species of light” because he believes the fishers’ deaths will shed light on a bigger issue: the fatal effects of SGARs on wildlife.
Gabriel has found at least two endangered spotted owls have been exposed to the toxicants and scientists fear the Sierra Nevada red fox and Humboldt marten are also at risk, since they share the same environment.
The Investigative Unit traveled to Gabriel’s Humboldt lab where in the nearby Sierra Forest and on the Hoopa Valley Reservation he and biologist Mark Higley set up cameras to track the fishers.
To see more video of the fishers view click here.
The Unit hiked into one of those recently abandoned marijuana grow sites to see piles of trash and containers of pesticide left after growers finished the season’s crop, in the middle of the fishers’ habitat and close to the water supply.
“It’s basically flowing with the water and then it’s picked up by those species that can use it most readily,” Higley told NBC Bay Area on the hike.
Higley says the poisons, trash and fertilizer can travel in the water that is used by hikers and locals.
This study shows how these chemicals and algae in the water that can be toxic to animals and humans.
“I don't want to drink out of the creek now and come home and not wake back up,” said Dawn Blake, a member of the Hoopa Valley Tribe who lives on the reservation.
Blake believes it’s only a matter of time before toxicants in the water could make those in her community sick.
“They are specifically targeting animals and anything that can kill a bear is going to kill me as well,” Blake said. “Marijuana operations are destroying the landscape.”
Last year the state group called the Joint Task Force Domestic Support Counterdrug spent $23 million hunting down and seizing marijuana plants on public land in California as well, but little public funding is set aside for clean-up of the trash and poison left behind.
“They are killing the animals and killing the forest and they don’t care,” said Rick Fleming, a hiker who heads up the volunteer group the High Sierra Trail Crew to clean up the grow sites. “And you know that’s the reason we volunteer.”
Fleming believes the state should give more funding to the cleanup, not just the seizing of the plants, because that’s what’s impacting the environment.
Fleming says the biggest challenge is getting to the sites.
“They don't want to be detected, so you have to hike in miles or be brought in by helicopter in order to get there,” Fleming said. “Then you have to bag everything up.”
The former leader of the High Sierra Trail Crew, Shane Krogen, was killed in September after falling out of a helicopter when trying to clean up a site.
“I don’t believe they have the right to go out there and trash my forest,” Fleming said with emotion in reference to his friend’s death. “The national forests and the national parks are our legacy and they are being trashed.”
That legacy of resources and wildlife protected in our national parks is being harmed by illegal growers.
“The rest of our nation is not fully aware of what’s happening here in California, and it just doesn’t affect our state,” Gabriel told NBC Bay Area. “These are our national treasures, these are our national forests.”
Uberknot
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Indacouch
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Sad and fucked up
Uberknot
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You have to understand some of us have a problem with this crap and think its total BS.
I did not serve in the ARMY to protect this Country and it's PARKS so some fucking derelict drug dealer can run around fucking it all up for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ PERIOD.
Indacouch
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Your the one tossing seeds in random areas .......I have my ranches and private land .....and I do my part in conservation in my area regularly as far as wildlife being an outdoorsman my whole life .......it's probably people like you that I'm picking up there trash and beer cans when I'm out hiking or hunting .......but even though I disagree with certain grow methods it still doesn't make it ok to steal
Uberknot
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Public land Public crop bro dont forget it.
If you have your shit secure and not freeloading using public land I have no problems.
Indacouch
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AGREED not to mention all the bulkshit that surrounds that when innocent people wonder into these illegal grows on a hike .......like I said above people who are in it just for the money don't give a fuck about what it does for the rest of us doing things rite .........I love nature and hate to see trash and habitat destroyed and I actually take time on weekends to do conservation work totally volunteered in my area I just don't think stealing makes me any better than the people doing that in the first place ..........if you served Thank you for your service by the way
Uberknot
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Exactly and thank you. as my dad does, and my brother, and my wife, and my uncles, and grandfathers and great grand fathers who have served..etc.....hell even my American Indian blood thanks you
Indacouch
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Not even when I was young did I have to go on public land .......my family has been farming and raising beef all over the Central Valley for many many years I farm and run cattle for a living ......I have my own land and only grow for a family member who has seizures for medicine ..........this thread was about rippers which I cannot stand a thief no matter the circumstance .......
Uberknot
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Well I can't stand low life drug dealers fucking shit up either so were even.
I can respect someone who respects others "property."
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