Hayduke's Seldom Seen Garden

HotNSexyMILF

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Underwatering doesn't hurt the plant as much, over watering is the killer, lol (if you see your plants daily, they'll get watered before there's a REAL problem from under watering)- sometimes when I lose track of my watering schedule I'll let them drop to know when to water again.. don't worry bout it man..
 

Hayduke

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Well I got my stuff from Blue Mountain Organics today, nice quick service, for ordering on a holiday especially. As advised I did not add any of the tonic today. My water I had did have 1T molasses/gal though, and I am sure that wasn't good either, but it was chlorine free and pH'd, their knock, knock, knocking on heavens door anyway. I also rcvd the NPK 0-7-0 bat guano, and the NPK 9-3-2 Bat guano, and the Flower power 1-8-7 (on a mthrf'ncop!)

They also kicked down a bag of 1-0-0 worm castings! Dow right neighborly

hold on...bongsmilie...much better!

The super plant tonic has mole asses in there. I brew beer. The air is full of wild yeast and bacteria who eat sugar, piss alcohol, and fart co2. They also like oxygen (the tonic is made with a aeration) in the early stages of life for building cell walls, once the oxy is gone they perform anerobic fermentation.
I actually noticed this today in my water with molasses, while the water sat out to get rid of chlorine, yeast fell in, then I gave them a very small amt of sugar to eat. I noticed when I was on the last plant when I poured from an opaque 1 gal bottle into a clear 16oz bottle, a few extra bubbles. It also smelled a little like bad fermentation (as opposed to good beer yeast)

Well the plant tonic is slightly carbonated, the bottom of the bottle was even pushed out a little. There is what very well could be yeast/bacteria which have settled to the bottom (like in a fermenter) and 10 dead fruit flies (Drosophila sp.) floating on top. They cannot resist the smell of fermentation!

Not sure if this is normal or not. You would actually have to be totally sanitized (bottles, equipment, the air, anything that it in contact) to avoid
this naturally with the added sugar.

So if this did fement out the sugar, is it not the actual sucrose which feeds the soil critters? Also it smells exactly like my very slightly fizzy molasses water.

What does something like 0.5% (guess, probably much less) alcohol do to plants?

I just read some of the directions that came with the poop that says if you make into a tea, it works faster if you oxygenate to "promotes the growth benefical bacteria and fungi present in these amendments" yeast (a fungus) and many bacteria which ferment, would if given some o2/with some residual food/sugar left, start reproduction, and not do much more fermenting until all o2 had been consumed. this is the lag phase of fermentation.
 

Hayduke

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Underwatering doesn't hurt the plant as much, over watering is the killer, lol (if you see your plants daily, they'll get watered before there's a REAL problem from under watering)- sometimes when I lose track of my watering schedule I'll let them drop to know when to water again.. don't worry bout it man..
Thanks! I visit them daily, just made a bad decision. I stuck my finger 2" in the pot and it felt, not really damp, but not dry like the top inch. The pot was very lite though. Also I thought today that 2" is relative to pot size. In a five gallon bucket, I really don't know (maybe should go deeper?), but if it was a 2" peat pot, of course that would be too deep. My pots are only 7" deep and I put some river rock in the bottom for drainage and to keep soil in pot (won't do that again, the newer 3 have newspaper ala SeeMoreBuds, and I think I will use cheesecloth in the future. Organic grow and petrol based ink:finger:) Also my perception of moist is like color in that its a perception.

I saw your first grow thread (very nice) and saw that you made the early mistake of over-watering. Years ago in Culinary School, the chef taught us that there are 2 kinds of cooks, Heat apprehensive and those like me that really don't know what that nob is for beside turning the fire on (I just move the pan if needed you can't saute' with low heat!) So I wonder if there are (generally speaking) 2 kinds of gardeners, those who are heavy handed with water and those who are lite.

I am always concerned with the roots getting o2 hence the soil which was never tamped down, rocks in bottom, perlite added to newer victims:lol:) Even after the flush I never got the droopy leaves (well they were gone w/in 2 hours at least) and the next day the top of the soil was drying nicely. At least until today I am sure they have never really been over-watered even with the flush the soil drains so fast, and there is not much of it.

I am going to do my best to take your advice and not worry about it (hard for me)!! Thank you for taking your time to help!
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Hayduke

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I'm about to use these for my grow. You should try them out if you're worried about the roots getting air.
Those look like they are for hydro? I am using soil and all organic:bigjoint:

note: the tall girls flowers look nice after her drought. Most of her leaves are crispified so she has a manicured look. Her buds are filling in nice and are surprisingly firm (I snuck a feel!) Her scent is intoxicating:eyesmoke:
I just spent some quality time with her, a pair of tweezers and a sticky piece of duct tape to hold the removed cat hairs. I think the cat rubbed her cheek on her today when I yanked her out of the fire for a cool drink, though they all have a few of the lightest cat fuzz hairs on them. I will be cleaning all the sisters tonight before the buds swell them in!
 

DKskater75

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No you can put soil in those. The holes are small enough. It's just to let the roots breath. You can also put a pump in there for more oxygen. I saw them used in someone's journal the other day.
 

camaro630hp

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LOLOLOLOL :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Well now I know what under-watering looks like. I have also learned that all plants do not necessarily get watered on the same day. My largest was drier and a lighter than the others last night and I second guessed myself because of all the noob overwatering, let the plants dry out stuff I hear. My soil drains so fast, I am not sure I could overwater unless I let them sit in run off, and I don't. The good thing is it was only one plant that was damaged. the bad thing was it was my largest :cuss:She lost a few more leaves and has few left. She did seem to perk back up fairly quickly, I hope all that shit I read about in the late 80's early 90's about water stress being a good thing is true, if so it was probably for veg, I don't remember.

I should change the name of this thread to how to kill your plants effectively.

F@%CK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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YEP NO PROB ,
I WAS GONNA SAY THAT I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF BAD THINGS
BOUT USING CLEAR POTS ,JUST THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE U A HEADS UP ,THE ROOTS DONOT LIKE HAVIN LIGHT ,AND IT CAN BURN THEM
ANYWAY GOOD LUCK BUDDY

well here she is:cry:
NICE! thanks for adding some eye candy to my thread as my girls are not looking so hot!
 

Hayduke

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The clear pots have been covered with panda film:bigjoint:

Watered the four that needed it today with the Super Plant Tonic from Blue Mountain Organics. I have been assured by OhSoGreen on the organic forum that the fermentation is a good thing, that the tonic is alive, and I probably got a particularly good batch!

Leaves continuing to show damage, but buds are swelling. The tall girl after losing basically all of her leaves after the drought, is finishing early, I think. Some of her hairs are turning red. Headband looks good. Thinking of a veg area, and a seed order. I have decided to trust SubCool TGA seeds off his recommended site. Thinking of trying Pandora's Box and maybe 1 other. Any suggestions?

bongsmilietime:!:
 

Hayduke

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The Pics are 29 days flower from clone. Same order as the earlier weekly photos. The buds are looking good if you can look past all the leaf damage from the previous f-up. They all have received no nutrients since the burn except a couple of days ago had a full dose of BMO Super Plant Tonic with an addition of 1 teaspoon of molasses (instead of 1T. because the SPT has some). The short girl although short is very sexy with a large bottom, so she has been named M.J.-Low:weed: Added pics are just close up of 1st plant pic top, a bathroom ionizer ($11.99 @ home Depot) to tone down the odor a little, and a overview showing lights all around and close. The tall girl has lost all leaves and hairs are about 15% red. Bulb pic is the LOA 42 watt from walmart for 97 cents. They are rated at less lumens and I believe them to be a prior generation of less efficient bulbs they are compared to 100w as opposed to my G.E. bulbs 150W. This also may be why they are a little cooler. (for under a buck though:clap:) I added one, but with the door shut it raised the temp 3-4 degrees I can't accept now. They are looking closer to maturity than I would like. I hope they take their time. (M)J-low has no red hairs, and most of the other girls have 1 or 2 here and there. The head band girls are looking pretty good pics are 19 days, about a week since pistils showed.
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Hayduke

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watered last night with the full dose of SPT, 1t./gal mole asses, 2T/gal Big Bloom. It is a little hard to tell if the girls are hungry due to all the damage. Since I flushed the good and bad out, I fed what would be a recommended foliar feeding (I would definitely not foliar feed this much) and hoped for the best. I did not want to burn them, but they were basically doing nothing for a few days.

New growth today to the tops of flowers with no perceivable increase in premature maturation Temps for first 5 hours of lights on still too high at 86, but the last 7 are high 70's.

I am having trouble using GH pH up. I mix, test, then let it sit for a couple of hours with no change (GH liquid test kit). Yesterday I tested a batch that sat for a day and the pH went from 6.5 to 4. I cut with 1/2 dechlor tap and after several hours the pH was still in the fives. I have pretty hard water with a pH of about 7.7 and usually add 15-18 drops from an eye dropper (about .5ml I think) I stopped using distilled when I had a problem getting the pH low enough using big bloom.

Any suggestions?
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HotNSexyMILF

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I have no suggestions- as within a week of a flush from a serious OD you've already nuted the plants twice.. there's no possible way the plants had any time to use the excess nutes stored in the plant itself to even need more nutes..

As far as the Big Bloom, yes, you have to use quite a bit of ph down to get it down to the right levels depending on the water you use. Let the tap water sit out open at least 24 hours, ph it, add ph up or down, shake gallon, ph it again, adjust as necessary, repeat as necessary. Over time you should be able to figure out the formula needed to ph your water..
 

Hayduke

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I have no suggestions- as within a week of a flush from a serious OD you've already nuted the plants twice.. there's no possible way the plants had any time to use the excess nutes stored in the plant itself to even need more nutes..

As far as the Big Bloom, yes, you have to use quite a bit of ph down to get it down to the right levels depending on the water you use. Let the tap water sit out open at least 24 hours, ph it, add ph up or down, shake gallon, ph it again, adjust as necessary, repeat as necessary. Over time you should be able to figure out the formula needed to ph your water..
First of all it was 12 days after the fact. The plants are also small and have little biomass for storage, so maybe not as much stored as thought.

The younger headband were getting lighter in color. they have darkened today.

I have not nuted them twice either. SPT is not nutrients, the extremely low amount of NPK is only for the beasties, see OhSoGreens thread on SPT "what it is and what it is not" in the organic section https://www.rollitup.org/organics/100067-super-plant-tonic-what-what.html

I have also communicated with the kind hippie type folk that make these products, I was clear as to what I was growing (It's Legal!) and was assured it would help.

I have 1/8" growth on the top of the buds today with a burst of thick white pistils.

I used only 2 (T) tablespoons of the Big Bloom which although as I have learned their recommendations are high, is the foliar strength dose. Also not in 5 gal buckets, 3-3.5 qts.

Also, as always, thank you for the advice on pH, this is exactly what I have done. The drop occurred with no nutes, only molasses @ 1 (t) teaspoon. Also by drop it sure doesn't seem like using a lot of pH down, it seems as though it is very concentrated, you don't need much at all, and time and mixing is needed to to allow all the hydronium ions to react. I originally used .6-.8ml, then cut by half with more water, so 3-4 tenths of a ml and the other half of the mix is still too low. just was looking for a rough guide for good old hard US water.

Yeah water is different but not that much in the west (for a rough guide at least). The Colorado river and the watersheds of its tributaries make up a large portion of western water The water is hard and high in carbonates. Also, in hardness and pH, this water is almost identical to water in Kansas City (river water from east of continental divide). So as many people use the GH pH test kit and pH up, I was hoping for an idea of how much others are adding to avoid overshooting. Water only pH no nutes.

I should have been more clear that the any suggestions was for using General Hydroponics pH down on hard water, not on the watering, as it was already done and was not asking for advice on that, though constructive help is appreciated. Saying "I have no suggestions- as within a week of a flush from a serious OD you've already nuted the plants twice.. there's no possible way the plants had any time to use the excess nutes stored in the plant itself to even need more nutes.." when it had been almost 2 weeks and NOT nuted twice is not constructive. It kinda puts an ugly mark on something that I am putting a lot of love into. don't get me wrong, I love nice kind advice even when not asked for. I read the first 5-6 pages of your first grow before you removed it from your signature, and I believe you asked on the very first post, to not say anything if you are not going to be nice. So I figured you would understand this as much as anyone.

If I had blatantly ignored your advice, I understand the little tude added to my journal, but please read the whole thing so the advice can be good advice. After all it was your advice I used to feed (thanks:razz:). The older plants were also light/yellowing but this could be normal for lower leaves in flower, but the smaller plants (also flushed, though not as much cuz not as much nutes added) were getting light in color.

So here it is: I totally appreciate your advice, because it takes your time. But please if you don't have anything nice to say or add, at least have facts correct, or just chalk me up to one of the many newbies, and say nothing at all. Seems pretty Golden to me Mom.

I am Mom and Dad, so I may be a little sensitive, and I think I am getting my period. I think I need to smoke now, My apologies to anyone who put up with my bitch this far.

Blessings HSM..........
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HotNSexyMILF

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Dude, you're tweakin', if you get offended because I'm telling you from my experience that the plants likely weren't ready for another nuting and why they likely weren't ready- then I honestly don't know what to tell you. I never said anything negative about you or your plants, sorry if you didn't find my advice constructive. :peace: Have a good one and good luck with the plants. :peace:
 
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