paranoid

[thewanderingjack]

How about you look to science, not a bunch of guys on rollitup? Research why it happens. There is science behind it...
Are you 20 years old? You could be genetically predisposed to psychotic disorders, and high thc, low cbd augments the psychosis.
If it is normal paranoia, like worrying about the cop that pulled behind you, just find a mellow strain. Build up to the super sativas, smoke kush.

Very true... I mean friendly advice is all well and good... maybe a place to start, but ultimately you have to look at the physiology... and I for one don't have a MD/Phd (or even a PHD... post hole digger, which I really need to get actually)

I've known people who either could smoke once and then later on it would make them sick, and the reverse... I am sure there's physiologic reasons or that...

I mean what I sai I think apply well quite generally, but assumes you're "well adjusted"

 

[GardenGnome83]

Very true... I mean friendly advice is all well and good... maybe a place to start, but ultimately you have to look at the physiology... and I for one don't have a MD/Phd (or even a PHD... post hole digger, which I really need to get actually)

I've known people who either could smoke once and then later on it would make them sick, and the reverse... I am sure there's physiologic reasons or that...

I mean what I sai I think apply well quite generally, but assumes you're "well adjusted"

There are many documents we get to read, and some are gold. We can acquire a basic understanding of our physiology this way, and in turn treat our bodies right.
Paranoia from cannabis is greater in those with a predisposition toward psychotic mental illness. Also, illicit drug users and alcoholics tend to become paranoid more than the average human.
Listen to your body, learn how to help yourself, live better.

 

[whitebb2727]

How about you look to science, not a bunch of guys on rollitup? Research why it happens. There is science behind it...
Are you 20 years old? You could be genetically predisposed to psychotic disorders, and high thc, low cbd augments the psychosis.
If it is normal paranoia, like worrying about the cop that pulled behind you, just find a mellow strain. Build up to the super sativas, smoke kush.

Lol. This is a ten year old thread. The op is long gone.

Sativas can cause paranoia.

The most common reason for paranoia is early chopped weed. THC by itself is kind of horrible and has side effects like paranoia. When the plant is allowed to fully ripen it developes cannabinoids that counter those affects.

 

[GardenGnome83]

Lol, I saw it on new posts, the thread is alive now!

 

[thewanderingjack]

The most common reason for paranoia is early chopped weed. THC by itself is kind of horrible and has side effects like paranoia. When the plant is allowed to fully ripen it developes cannabinoids that counter those affects.

Any material on that? I've never heard it before.

I am also smoking tons of early chopped weed (nothing but) right now, since I ran out of buds and I've been grazing on my (5 weeks into flower) current crop since it started flowering... not been feeling paranoid at all, or any other negative side effects except noticing it's not as potent and doesn't last as long (the younger it was... at this point potency has been good, but maybe still not lasting as long). I haven't noticed if it's been more head high than body high as people usually say... it's hard to tell for me.

 

[thewanderingjack]

Lol, I saw it on new posts, the thread is alive now!

I think whitebb2727 was focused on the way it sounded like you were talking to the OP directly... whereas to me, it just seemed like a writing voice... I mean, you have to direct to someone when you write something like that. Mostly we use "you"... I just did... I didn't mean a specific you... just, all ya'll... or any... English pronouns... it is what it is...https://www.rollitup.org/members/whitebb2727.749089/

 

[whitebb2727]

Any material on that? I've never heard it before.

I am also smoking tons of early chopped weed (nothing but) right now, since I ran out of buds and I've been grazing on my (5 weeks into flower) current crop since it started flowering... not been feeling paranoid at all, or any other negative side effects except noticing it's not as potent and doesn't last as long (the younger it was... at this point potency has been good, but maybe still not lasting as long). I haven't noticed if it's been more head high than body high as people usually say... it's hard to tell for me.

It might not bother you.

Just research THC side effects. Things like cbd counter those effects.

 

[abe supercro]

Maybe w indica you get a racier, or energizing, buzz cutting early, instead of couch-lock by going to amber trichs. But you see the paranoia more w sativa. You can mellow the sativa by running it long, but if you chop it earlier, it will be very racy and often paranoia can result with certain strains. Of course this is strain dependent and I'm generalizing.

 

[abe supercro]

It might not bother you.

Just research THC side effects. Things like cbd counter those effects.

Amber is the presence of over-oxydation to the trichs which result in higher cbn.

 

[thewanderingjack]

Just research THC side effects. Things like cbd counter those effects.

Oh I know about it as a general side effect... don't think I've ever felt it myself... I mean I've been "paranoid" in sketchy situations... but it's not paranoia if they're really out to get you ;-P.

I get how the CBD counteracts that, and how CBD and other cannabinol/oids increase over time... so the logic is sound to me... I guess I'd just never heard it put that way, and since it's not an issue for me, I never thought about it.

 

[GardenGnome83]

There is a great paper by Fergusson you can find at the top if you Google "cannabis and psychosis". 4 pages only, and it is full of sources to go further in to the weed web...
I'm too lazy to post it, been up since 5 am central, I'm cooked on some good ol' OG.
I myself welcome all of the psychological effects, I like experiencing it all.
Are you experienced? Is playing in my head now. Good problem to have... Possibly because of pot (association).

 

[thewanderingjack]

I myself welcome all of the psychological effects, I like experiencing it all.

I think I'm gonna skip psychosis... well I suppose people say hallucinogenics would be that, but IDK... just you now, clinical psychosis sounds no fun...

But I do like to experience/experiment... i used to be nervous about heights... hated roller coasters and got slight vertigo near balconies and such. But i experimented with that until eventually I was loving being at the tip top of 150 ft redwood. Good times.

 

[GardenGnome83]

I think I'm gonna skip psychosis... well I suppose people say hallucinogenics would be that, but IDK... just you now, clinical psychosis sounds no fun...

But I do like to experience/experiment... i used to be nervous about heights... hated roller coasters and got slight vertigo near balconies and such. But i experimented with that until eventually I was loving being at the tip top of 150 ft redwood. Good times.

I rarely have felt insane paranoia, but it sucks. I could do without it. But the rest is pretty cool.
Treetops are the best places to smoke a joint! I've never seen a redwood though, just tall white pines. I'm jelly...
I like to fish for bass and pike in my kayak, for the rush. As I paddle to a spot I'm feeling, it feels like I'm on a rollercoaster. I get lightheaded as I get close, then I become icy, like Fedor Emelianenko in his day.
Weed rules.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Paranoia?

Try vaping. I've heard quite a few reports of people having paranoia issues go away when they vape the same bud. Personally I find there's something missing in vaping and always want a bowl afterward, might be I need what's missing in vapes and other people would be happier with the vaping leaving that ingredient out.

Everyone has a different chemical makeup.

 

[LegalizeNature420]

I've never bought into this vilification of sativas; I think landrace strains in their natural form, whether it be sativa or indica, are your best bet to enjoy smoke without anxiety. I suspect that selective breeding for higher THC (lower CBD) and/or crossing these two opposite families of cannabis results in anxiety-inducing pot. Speaking from anecdotal evidence, the only anxiety-free smoke I've ever had was an unknown sativa that was absurdly energetic and euphoric, and the next best smoke in this regard was a numbing Hindu Kush. Practically everything else- those hybrids and extensive crosses- they seem to induce anxiety in me.

 

[thewanderingjack]

landrace strains

Hm... I live in Northern Cali and for as long as people have been growing here I doubt we still have anything that might be considered landrace... hard to tell with all the strain rigamarole and breeding practices etc.

What are some of those and the regions to grow them in the U.S.?

What makes you think that's the case (landrace strains=less anxiety)? I can see the sense from a natural balance perspective... just wondering if you know of info about it

 

[GardenGnome83]

I've never bought into this vilification of sativas; I think landrace strains in their natural form, whether it be sativa or indica, are your best bet to enjoy smoke without anxiety. I suspect that selective breeding for higher THC (lower CBD) and/or crossing these two opposite families of cannabis results in anxiety-inducing pot. Speaking from anecdotal evidence, the only anxiety-free smoke I've ever had was an unknown sativa that was absurdly energetic and euphoric, and the next best smoke in this regard was a numbing Hindu Kush. Practically everything else- those hybrids and extensive crosses- they seem to induce anxiety in me.

There is science that shows how sativas are more apt to make you paranoid. There are few true sativas rolling around, most are hybrids.
High thc with negligible cbd induces psychosis in some. Science.

 

[thewanderingjack]

High thc with negligible cbd induces psychosis in some. Science.

Actually, words.

Not saying you're wrong about the effects or whatever, just presentation. So far what you've said is worth exactly... the lint I have in my pocket.

Yeah, you can say go look it up... but do you tell your teachers that when you reference info from a study in a research paper? No, that's AS lazy as people who never bother seeking info and just want answers.

Would a link to one legitimate article be too much? if it's so easy to find, then why isn't it easy to provide one?

Again, not saying you're wrong... and I know I sound harsh... I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, just to make a small but I think important point. Sometimes I guess you gotta sound like a dick though.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

High thc with negligible cbd induces psychosis in some. Science.

There are studies showing the same "manic episode' reaction to pure thc and synthetic thc (marinol), without having any cbd with it as well. I fully believe people can have 'manic episodes' using today's nearly cbd free, super high thc, what I call 'prohibition strains.'

Douglas

 

[GardenGnome83]

Actually, words.

Not saying you're wrong about the effects or whatever, just presentation. So far what you've said is worth exactly... the lint I have in my pocket.

Yeah, you can say go look it up... but do you tell your teachers that when you reference info from a study in a research paper? No, that's AS lazy as people who never bother seeking info and just want answers.

Would a link to one legitimate article be too much? if it's so easy to find, then why isn't it easy to provide one?

Again, not saying you're wrong... and I know I sound harsh... I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, just to make a small but I think important point. Sometimes I guess you gotta sound like a dick though.

I cited a source that leads to all of this. Also, I'm speaking about what science has figured out, not what I feel.
No need to be a cock.
I'm on my phone, don't know how to post a pdf. Just Google "cannabis and psychosis", a plethora of knowledge awaits.