Give you my word I have a history growing in a commercial setting with 350k watts did seen 180 plants with it done and without it and believe me major differences I state my reputation on it everyone who's seen my grows knows I rape leaves lol
Let me get this straight (yup may give it one more try lol), I leave everything in the main stalk(s) above the 3rd node, remove all of them from secondary branches. If I have two main stalks do I not touch any sun leaves in the mains but just go after secondary as well?
Can you explain where any of this proves that a plant grown in DWC will produce higher THC than a plant grown in any other medium if done properly if that in fact is what your saying. That was what this whole debate was in fact about.It actually has a bunch to do with it,
How Is Gene Expression Increased or Decreased in Response to Environmental Change?
In prokaryotes, regulatory proteins are often controlled by nutrient availability. This allows organisms such as bacteria to rapidly adjust their transcription patterns in response to environmental conditions. In addition, regulatory sites on prokaryotic DNA are typically located close to transcription promoter sites — and this plays an important part in gene expression.
For an example of how this works, imagine a bacterium with a surplus of amino acids that signal the turning "on" of some genes and the turning "off" of others. In this particular example, cells might want to turn "on" genes for proteins that metabolize amino acids and turn "off" genes for proteins that synthesize amino acids. Some of these amino acids would bind to positive regulatory proteins called activators. Activator proteins bind to regulatory sites on DNA nearby to promoter regions that act as on/off switches. This binding facilitates RNA polymerase activity and transcription of nearby genes. At the same time, however, other amino acids would bind to negative regulatory proteins called repressors, which in turn bind to regulatory sites in the DNA that effectively block RNA polymerase binding.
I have spent years figuring out what triggers what response in these plants, hell I even wrote a book about it
All it proves or is saying is that the same plant (think clone) will express itself differently in different gardens (environments) That genetic expression is related to the environment
haha i give you my word that ive been here 5 years and no one has managed to prove this is better and if they did we would all be doing it simple as, kind of how these sites work so wether you do or not get fatter yeilds you need to do a whole lot more before you convince seasoned growers to adopt this technique.
Well i agree, general forum opinion dosent last as long as it use to thesedays but it use to be the agreement here that dwc was more potent and faster growing than soil but that soil gave a much better quality bud. Given the choice we'd all grow organic hydro for the win.
Actually any high quality nutrient is organic, its not "chemicals" it just cant be OMRI listed because its been cleaned and refined. All high quality nutrients come from the same natural raw materials "organics" come from. They are just biologicaly pre-broken down for fast absorption, cleaned and refined for safety. Anything "refined" by humans cannot be listed organic but that doesnt mean its chemicals. Table sugar is cleaned and refined, that doesnt mean its produced in a labritory test tube. Refined nutrients are actually better because they are refined for immediate absorption and are cleaned to ensure there are no pathogens to infect the rootzone. Some people think they are chemicals but they arent. The minerals that are absorbed by the roots are exactly the same. Minerals are minerals. Raw organics are terrible for cannabis because many of the minerals take 2-6 months to biologically break down to a usable form by the plants so people that grow outdoors thier plants are missing out on some of the vital nutrients and people using raw organics in soil indoors thier plants are missing out on a lot of nutrients because they are harvesting every 2.5-3 months and many of the minerals are just begining to become available to the plants and many of the minerals not at all. Raw organics require a biological break down by soil bacterias and myco's before they can be absorbed. Teas if made correctly are the best way to use raw organics BUT your still taking a chance in getting root infections from contaminates in the raw materials. Especially manures, unless composted.
Agreed good post man, I've tried to explain the "chemical" argument many times.People general can't seem to wrap their head around the concept that elements aren't chemicals.They are more like the root or building blocks you start with to make chemicals.
I posted pictures of 6 week old mother plants, that are heavily topped and pruned. It is good for them, very good for them. It makes them grow faster and every one should know this fact. No other way even comes close to a heavily cut mother in hydro.
Mother plants left in a continual vegetative state really aren't even the point here. Note the thread title.
Quality nutrients ARE NOT chemicals PERIOD! People cannot grow and expect top quality without understanding the fundamentals. Some people are just unable to see the big picture I guess.
Can you guys make your point a little more concise, im still not seeing what your saying in relationship to this?
Not entirely true While Potassium and Sulfur may be elements, Potassium Sulfate is a chemical
No shit! I'm almost done with week 4 & my buds are half that size!
I can read. The point is topping/pruning makes the plants grow a lot faster. Afgan king knows what he's talking about, also. Why would taking 20 clones a day make a plant explode in growth but you can't even remove a bottom fan leaf in flower? And the people who have never mastered hydro shouldn't comment about soil vs hydro. Soil is the worst way to grow a plant.
