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Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Finshaggy said:
I think there are only like 10,000 or less people in Iraq and Syria. So it's possible, but that is a small number, and I am sure they send higher ranks, since it's train and assist, they don't need new people trying to train Iraqis and Syrians.
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This week, the Obama Administration has announced we're going to play a more direct role in Syria. And they don't put higher ranking people on the front, save the commander and NCOIC of the unit.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Just so that these are all in one place.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/law/rights_of_military_mbrs.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2011/03/23/scratext.pdf
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/pagedetails.action?collectionCode=USCODE&browsePath=Title+50/Title+50/-1006&granuleId=USCODE-2011-title50-app-soldiersa&packageId=USCODE-2011-title50&collapse=true&fromBrowse=true
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38/part-III/chapter-33


http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/defense_ethics/ethics_regulation/1344-10.html
4.1.1. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may:
4.1.2.1. Participate in partisan political fundraising activities (except as permitted in subparagraph 4.1.1.7.), rallies, conventions (including making speeches in the course thereof), management of campaigns, or debates, either on one’s own behalf or on that of another, without respect to uniform or inference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement. Participation includes more than mere attendance as a spectator. (See subparagraph 4.1.1.9.)
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Olive Drab Green said:
This week, the Obama Administration has announced we're going to play a more direct role in Syria. And they don't put higher ranking people on the front, save the commander and NCOIC of the unit.
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I think that just means we are going to start Droning Syria like Iraq. And maybe start Droning Assad.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Just so that these are all in one place (more added to the bottom)

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/law/rights_of_military_mbrs.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2011/03/23/scratext.pdf
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/pagedetails.action?collectionCode=USCODE&browsePath=Title+50/Title+50/-1006&granuleId=USCODE-2011-title50-app-soldiersa&packageId=USCODE-2011-title50&collapse=true&fromBrowse=true
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38/part-III/chapter-33
http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/defense_ethics/ethics_regulation/1344-10.html
http://www.dodig.mil/Resources/PolicyReferences/whistleblower/DoDD_7050_06.pdf
http://nlgmltf.org/leaflets/GI_Rights_free_speech.html
http://www.carson.army.mil/LEGAL/tds/article31-rights.html
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242
10 U.S.C. § 774. Establishes limited right to wear conservative items of religious apparel while in uniform (For details on implementation, see DoD Directive 1300.l7).
10 U.S.C. § 1034. The Military Wistleblower Act - Protects right to complain to Congress and the Inspector General, and protects members from retaliation for filing complaints.
UCMJ Art. 138. Establishes the right to complain to a higher officer when wronged by your commanding officer.

 
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Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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And going into the Military knowing your rights is like going to jail knowing your rights.

And there is a slight possibility that the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act could be applied to the Military.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2000cc–5
I'm not sure if anyone has tried. But it expands Religious Rights further than current 1st Amendment Case Law.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Olive Drab Green said:
No, that would be indirect. It was stated, boots on the ground.
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When? I watch the news all the time, and right now there are like 50 Diplomats asking that Obama please start droning Assad more, but there has been no mention of him even wanting to do that, let alone boots on the ground. And boots on the ground would be big news, like when some Americans saw that the Kurds seemed outgunned in a raid, they ran in to help and I think a Lieutenant from Oklahoma was killed, and it was a big deal about "Is this train and assist, or is this too much?".
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Finshaggy said:
When? I watch the news all the time, and right now there are like 50 Diplomats asking that Obama please start droning Assad more, but there has been no mention of him even wanting to do that, let alone boots on the ground. And boots on the ground would be big news, like when some Americans saw that the Kurds seemed outgunned in a raid, they ran in to help and I think a Lieutenant from Oklahoma was killed, and it was a big deal about "Is this train and assist, or is this too much?".
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Droning is a form of indirect involvement. Look for it, you'll find it. They are planning direct involvement shortly.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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Olive Drab Green said:
Droning is a form of indirect involvement. Look for it, you'll find it. They are planning direct involvement shortly.
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If it happens it happens. But that is completely against Obama's Middle Eastern Policy for all of his Presidency. Which is to work to end the war, not send more troops out there, and to try to rebuild. And even if it was War, from what I have read Mosul itself would be a 6 Month+ operation, and that would basically relegitimize the Iraqi Government to an extent, as long as they didn't fall back in to Sunni/Shia stuff in Government. But after that there is still all of Syria, and Syria isn't even really being focused on right now.

Because ISIS started as (AQI) Al Qeada in Iraq, they are trying to work on Iraq first. The American people said they didn't want to get involved in Syria, so they stayed out of Syria, and now they are trying to get a Cease Fire in Syria, not start firing more.

I'll look, but I really don't think that Obama would just flip like that, when there is no way he could get it done in the time he has anyway. It would be a complete reversal of his positions that he has held on strong to for his entire presidency, and without the bonus of getting to say you won a war before you left office as a historical point.
 
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tezzerLad

tezzerLad

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Finshaggy said:
Just so that these are all in one place (more added to the bottom)

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/law/rights_of_military_mbrs.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2011/03/23/scratext.pdf
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/pagedetails.action?collectionCode=USCODE&browsePath=Title+50/Title+50/-1006&granuleId=USCODE-2011-title50-app-soldiersa&packageId=USCODE-2011-title50&collapse=true&fromBrowse=true
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38/part-III/chapter-33
http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/defense_ethics/ethics_regulation/1344-10.html
http://www.dodig.mil/Resources/PolicyReferences/whistleblower/DoDD_7050_06.pdf
http://nlgmltf.org/leaflets/GI_Rights_free_speech.html
http://www.carson.army.mil/LEGAL/tds/article31-rights.html
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242
10 U.S.C. § 774. Establishes limited right to wear conservative items of religious apparel while in uniform (For details on implementation, see DoD Directive 1300.l7).
10 U.S.C. § 1034. The Military Wistleblower Act - Protects right to complain to Congress and the Inspector General, and protects members from retaliation for filing complaints.
UCMJ Art. 138. Establishes the right to complain to a higher officer when wronged by your commanding officer.
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u r nuts :)

but you're a good guy, no harm to no one hopefully ?
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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tezzerLad said:
u r nuts :)

but you're a good guy, no harm to no one hopefully ?
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I'll get copies of everything either sent to me or made, and I am pretty sure there will be tons of people that want to know their rights. It's like jail, everyone there is like "No, I'll just do my time" until you start teaching them their rights and case law and everything, then they get excited about trials, etc.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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And when I was in jail I would go to that Kiosk thing, and use like 30 people's accounts. And the people in charge start to notice, because it creates a Power Structure, and then they realize that they are causing the problem because they are not giving people the rights they are owed and they are creating this Power Structure indirectly by not respecting rights automatically, and then they start trying to figure out how the rights work.
 
Finshaggy

Finshaggy

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And they end up having to learn about it, because it's not like Rights are some kind of problem. The problem is not recognizing them.
 
tezzerLad

tezzerLad

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Finshaggy said:
I'll get copies of everything either sent to me or made, and I am pretty sure there will be tons of people that want to know their rights. It's like jail, everyone there is like "No, I'll just do my time" until you start teaching them their rights and case law and everything, then they get excited about trials, etc.
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that's not really helped me 'not' think your still nuts though ryan :)

but you're a good guy so all's good is all i'm sayin.
 
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