UncleBuck
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banning stuff works!*and so, ban them all. Yep, makes sense to me
*not applicable to guns
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*not applicable to guns
Flaming Pie
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It makes sense to bring in 10000 people who dont have papers proving who they are?and so, ban them all. Yep, makes sense to me
It makes sense to ship them across the ocean instead of helping them keep their homes?
Flaming Pie
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The wall is simply a tool to help border patrol.
I am for immigration reform and streamlining the application to be a citizen. If we can do syrian refugees in 18 months without papers then we should be able to do 18 months with mexicans as well.
UncleBuck
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well there are gangs and drugs in every race. and you only seem to see it as a problem for those "illegal mexicans". so there's that.
but beyond that, you also seem to have a problem with people breaking federal laws just to come and work and feed their families and make a better life for themselves. you cited that they take slave wage jobs (which they took away from you, by the way) and rely on federal handouts (not possible for illegals, but i'll humor you).
don't you also break federal laws though to help feed your family and rely on handouts though?
Flaming Pie
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Also you dont have to become a citizen to work here legally and pay taxes.
UncleBuck
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so it's only mexicans you're worried about?
LOL
it's not immigration at all. it's just those darn scary mexicans and muslims.
you are the definition of racist and bigoted.
Flaming Pie
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UncleBuck
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might want to check which post you are replying to. you're getting all flustered and confused now.
Flaming Pie
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What is wrong with you?
I said i think the process for them to become citizens should not take longer than 18 months.
You fall on your head?
Fogdog
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It takes two years for a Syrian refugee to clear the background checks. Where did you get the idea that undocumented people would be simply flown in? Oh, dumb question. You heard it on conservative talk radio huh?
Flaming Pie
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Because the fbi said they cannot vet people without papers. Duh.
Head of fbi mr. Comey said it.
Fogdog
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Simply a tool? 40 billion dollars and stretches across 1500 miles of really desolate terrain. Then manning the wall and maintaining it. What a hopelessly expensive white elephant that will be! Because people come into this country in various ways. People will find a way around that wall and it will be an albatross around our necks, not to mention the environmental impact. Which already makes that wall illegal by current laws. So on top if it all, we will need to take an axe to our environmental protection act.
The only way to reduce the need for people in Mexico to find their way into the US is to work with Mexico to improve their economy. NAFTA was a disaster. A person who cared about others and wanted to build an inclusive relationship with Mexico would look at other ways to spend the money required to build, staff and maintain that wall.
Oh and the drug smuggling? Yeah, that's not hard to fix. End the war on drugs.
Only a right wing Republican is ignorant and dumb enough to buy into that wall as a "tool".
Fogdog
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So ban them instead? your head is spinning. Time to sit down and put your head between your legs.
Flaming Pie
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Top U.S. counterterrorism officials have been warning for months that the intelligence on the
ground in Syria is insufficient to thoroughly vet individuals traveling to the United States from
the conflict zone. It is difficult both to confirm that Syrian asylum-seekers are who they claim to
be and to determine they do not have ties to terrorist groups.
• Recently, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services official Matthew Emrich disclosed that the
government does not have access to any database in Syria that can be used to check the
backgrounds of incoming refugees against criminal and terrorist records.17 Nevertheless, it was
revealed that over 90% of Syrian refugee applicants get approved, despite intelligence gaps
and absent the ability to thoroughly check for security risks.18
• According to former FBI assistant director Tom Fuentes, “Our human sources [in Syria] are
minimal, and we don’t have a government we can partner with, and that’s a key thing.”19
• National Counterterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen explained that “the intelligence
picture we’ve had of this [Syrian] conflict zone isn’t what we’d like it to be… you can only review
[data] against what you have.”20
• Affirming these concerns, FBI Director James Comey testified in October to the Committee that
“we can only query against that [data] which we have collected. So if someone has not made
a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or intentions reflected in our
databases, we can query our databases until the cows come home, but nothing will show up
because we have no record of that person…You can only query what you have collected.”21
• Earlier this year, FBI Assistant Director Michael Steinbach said that “the concern in Syria is that
we don’t have the systems in places on the ground to collect the information… All of the data
sets, the police, the intel services that normally you would go and seek that information [from],
don’t exist.”22https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HomelandSecurityCommittee_Syrian_Refugee_Report.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjV9uG-6rDNAhVCT1IKHVZGBwoQFggvMAU&usg=AFQjCNFTu4lfXs_zxkVttkli-A1W_6pUCg&sig2=_Ja5LHkBP3ErY6zb8YlQOA
Flaming Pie
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This is same document. From the fbi.
Given the current high-threat environment, agencies are stretched extremely thin in terms
of their ability to monitor suspects and disrupt plots. This year the FBI has been forced to
confront nearly a thousand terrorism-related cases in every single U.S. state, according to FBI
Director Comey, straining law enforcement resources. “We had to surge hundreds of people
from criminal cases—which are important—and move them over to the national security side,”
he noted. Comey said he was unsure what the Bureau would do if there was a return to this
level of operational tempo.30
Given the current high-threat environment, agencies are stretched extremely thin in terms
of their ability to monitor suspects and disrupt plots. This year the FBI has been forced to
confront nearly a thousand terrorism-related cases in every single U.S. state, according to FBI
Director Comey, straining law enforcement resources. “We had to surge hundreds of people
from criminal cases—which are important—and move them over to the national security side,”
he noted. Comey said he was unsure what the Bureau would do if there was a return to this
level of operational tempo.30
UncleBuck
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yet somehow we have already let in thousands of refugees and their track record of 4 deaths (thanks, tsarnaev brothers) pales in comparison to the deaths caused in the same amount of time by right wing christians who were born right here.
you are arguing hypotheticals, i am telling you the reality.
Flaming Pie
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Because the fbi has been intercepting the majority of the plots.
They are stretched thin at 1800 refugees. Imagine how much will slip through the cracks with 10k.
mynameisnobody
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Don't puff yourself you don't have any money. I said that I had fired all 3 of the machine guns BAR, M-2 and the M-60 the BAR I used may or may not have been a military issue weapon. AKDrifter was smart enough to know they were used in Vietnam.
UncleBuck
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that's not even what your own citation said.
Flaming Pie
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Nearly 1000 terrorism confrontations PER STATE is what my citation said.