11/13 Flowering light cycle - Recommended by DJ Short

[RM3]

Okay so where is this forum of which you speak?

It's private, not even indexed by search engines. There is a free chapter at the book site that shares the truth about amber trics and if ya clic the book pic it explains how to subscribe to the forum you said you visited the site did you not see these things ?

 

[BobCajun]

It's private, not even indexed by search engines. There is a free chapter at the book site that shares the truth about amber trics and if ya clic the book pic it explains how to subscribe to the forum you said you visited the site did you not see these things ?

I clicked the book and it went to something else, a page with text and bud pics on it. Oh okay, I see it at the bottom. It goes to some "free speech" thing for $5 a month. Never mind, ain't worth the aggravation. $9.99 just slipped through your hands. The sample chapter was interesting though.

 

[RM3]

I clicked the book and it went to something else, a page with text and bud pics on it. Oh okay, I see it at the bottom. It goes to some "free speech" thing for $5 a month. Never mind, ain't worth the aggravation. $9.99 just slipped through your hands. The sample chapter was interesting though.

nah, it's $4.20 a month
and if it was a hard copy, would have been a lot more than $9.99
plus it includes RG Gear
some say it's a cult
but it's more like a collective
The most amazing thing is seein the new growers grows killin it once they know the truth
Like it says on the site I don't push for sales, so i feel no loss

 

[Vnsmkr]

nah, it's $4.20 a month
and if it was a hard copy, would have been a lot more than $9.99
plus it includes RG Gear
some say it's a cult
but it's more like a collective
The most amazing thing is seein the new growers grows killin it once they know the truth
Like it says on the site I don't push for sales, so i feel no loss

This statement rings true for me as well and I was just telling someone that a few days ago. You dont even really smell cannabis in my garden until you are right on top of it. Happy plants "I have used to describe a situation where your garden does not stink, mine never does and I have never owned a carbon scrubber."

 

[RM3]

This statement rings true for me as well and I was just telling someone that a few days ago. You dont even really smell cannabis in my garden until you are right on top of it. Happy plants "I have used to describe a situation where your garden does not stink, mine never does and I have never owned a carbon scrubber."

Good for you !!!

 

[mrgreen2015]

If you enjoy couch lock, go with 12/12

I use a 10:30/13:30 flower cycle because I enjoy uplifting Sat highs and even the land race indicas I've grown do not couch lock. Nope uplifting, energetic highs and once you learn this it opens up a whole new world of growing because it is very true that different light timings bring out different genetic expressions. Like pretty much everything I grow creeps as well which I enjoy

If ya read DJ's book, he talks about experimenting with different light timings 15 min at a time till you find a sweet spot. All the book reviews bitch about the fact that he did not share his sweet spot in the book. I openly share mine but also point out that yours might be different.

Yields are only affected if you are a light dependent grower, if you are a grower that understands all the elements combined and properly tweaked is what makes the plant thrive then yields will be good. How do you think I grow 20 inch colas with T5's ???

There is so much more you can adjust and tweak to alter genetic expression, it becomes fun to see how you can alter the look, smell, taste, high of different strains. It is also why there is a difference in the same cut grown by two different growers.

and now the evil plug LOL All covered in my books

Thank you so much!
I really value your input!

 

[hyroot]

All grow info should be shared and be free. The only time you should get paid on that info is for a consulting fee for a commercial grow. Everyone in the industry shares all knowledge for free. There's the occasional workshops in person where people buy a ticket. They're usually not that much. Dj short does all.the panel discussions at the cups. You have to pay for a ticket to get into the cup but that's it. They also put videos on you tube

You only need 3 books. Teaming With Microbes, Teaming With Nutrients by Jeff Lowenfell's and Wayne Lewis and Marijuana Botany by Will ( Robert) Clarke

If you want more than that. There's tons of studies from the experimental botany dept of Oxford University and Elaine Ingham has a bunch of books. She's has a PhD in microbiology and gives seminars on soil biology and composting..

No sense in paying for bad info.

 

[hyroot]

 

[BobCajun]

Interesting to see what DJ Short looks like in the first video above.@RM3, I rounded the $4.20 up to $5. Not good at rounding I guess.

 

[RM3]

All grow info should be shared and be free.

The only thing I have not openly shared on the web is my invention, it even says on the book site that most of the info in the book can be found for free on several pot forum sites and it even links several of them, you can look for yourself anytime

The subscription thing is setup to keep the forum alive in the event something happens to me, I just had a heart attack several weeks ago so planning this made sense to me. There are no trolls, there is zero bad info, no nonsense, no myths. Several very experienced growers as well as several old school breeders are members that take joy in teaching the truth. And yes hyroot there is even a guy that does living soil, he even does the fish pond thing, there is no aspect of growing that is not covered. I don't teach "my way" I teach how to read the plant and how to anticipate its needs.

And as a collective force, we have pretty much every cool cut of weed there is. We even have a breeder that has been working on a stealth ducksfoot with pink flowers that could be grown anywhere and he is very close, should be stable with just a few more crosses.

 

[hyroot]

Sorry about the heart attack that really sucks..

. The bad info you are giving is a bad influence in the mj community. You have these guys following every word..


Happy Plants don't stink...have you ever heard of terpenes. Which are essentiall to cannabinoid delivery to your body and terpenes.also have medicinal benefits. The more your plants stink the higher the terpene profile. Same goes with terpenes in all.plants. lemon, orange, oregano, tomatoe, potatoes etc...

You can have the same cannabinoid profile between different strains but a different terpene profile and their affects will be very different because of the variance in terpenes.

Boiling water does kill a plant. I proved that a few years ago when my brothers late wife's nutritionist was saying how microwaving water changes its structure is bad and will kill plants. Then I explained how freezing water changes its structure well and boiling water does the same. So I boiled some water to show them it was the heat killing the plants and not the microwaved water itself. Then watered some different plants. 1 og, 1 pulmeria, 1 huge basil, a few hops plants and 1 peppermint plant. Every single one of them died within a few hours to 3 days.

So sorry if I disagree with your bad info along with the rest of the horticulture world. Who you have following you is irrelevant. I can name off all the breeders and growers and extractors i work with. But that would be moot.

I understand reading a plant. Every grower should know what a plant needs or doesn't need just by looking at it. That's something that comes with experience and trial and error. .Every pheno and every strain and every method and every environment plays a role in everything and in differences.

We all grow for quality - trichomes and terpenes over yield. And cannabinoid diversity.

You don't need to charge to keep anything going if anything happens to you. You can do it for free and have other people have access to your work. Unless you're just using those people's money to cover your costs for the site.

 

[RM3]

Sorry about the heart attack that really sucks..

. The bad info you are giving is a bad influence in the mj community. You have these guys following every word..


Happy Plants don't stink...have you ever heard of terpenes. Which are essentiall to cannabinoid delivery to your body and terpenes.also have medicinal benefits. The more your plants stink the higher the terpene profile. Same goes with terpenes in all.plants. lemon, orange, oregano, tomatoe, potatoes etc...

You can have the same cannabinoid profile between different strains but a different terpene profile and their affects will be very different because of the variance in terpenes.

Boiling water does kill a plant. I proved that a few years ago when my brothers late wife's nutritionist was saying how microwaving water changes its structure is bad and will kill plants. Then I explained how freezing water changes its structure well and boiling water does the same. So I boiled some water to show them it was the heat killing the plants and not the microwaved water itself. Then watered some different plants. 1 og, 1 pulmeria, 1 huge basil, a few hops plants and 1 peppermint plant. Every single one of them died within a few hours to 3 days.

So sorry if I disagree with your bad info along with the rest of the horticulture world. Who you have following you is irrelevant. I can name off all the breeders and growers and extractors i work with. But that would be moot.

I understand reading a plant. Every grower should know what a plant needs or doesn't need just by looking at it. That's something that comes with experience and trial and error. .Every pheno and every strain and every method and every environment plays a role in everything and in differences.

We all grow for quality - trichomes and terpenes over yield. And cannabinoid diversity

My happy plants don't stink while growing, they stink just fine once harvested, the biological truth is the stink is a response to stress.

as for the boiling thing, not only is it based in science, it works! The science is in every botany book,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Fermentation is strictly defined as any way of anaerobically degrade pyruvic acid and recycle NAD+ to keep glycolysis going. You can then categorize this process as lactic acid fermentation (where pyruvate accepts electrons from NADH directly and becomes lactate), alcoholic fermentation (where pyruvate is first decarboxylated to acetaldehyde which then accepts electrons from NADH to become ethanol) and others (which are much more obscure). So technically, human cells are able to carry out lactic acid fermentation. Liver cells also have the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase (responsible for ethanol formation in yeast and other fungi), but we use it in the reverse direction so to speak to get rid of any alcohol which we consume by converting it to pyruvate.
Plants however, can carry out alcoholic fermatation. They don't normally do it, because plants are usually in contact with oxygen. However, if you flood the root of a plant for about a week the cells are starved of oxygen, and because of this they will start carrying out alcoholic fermentation to survive.

from here,
http://www.biology-online.org/biology-forum/about16671.html

Not a single thing I teach or share that isn't science/botany based so please explain how I'm a bad influence ???

 

[hyroot]

Boiling water is a common practice for killing weeds and other undwanted plants. That's well known and science based.


How is smell linked to the stress of a plant? When infact the stink of a plant is related to the sugar and mineral.content of the plant. Not at all stress. Ie brix levels - terpenes. What it actually smells like is dependent on genetics.

Bad influence by giving out bad info.

 

[RM3]

Boiling water is a common practice for killing weeds and other undwanted plants. That's well known and science based.


How is smell linked to the stress of a plant? When infact the stink of a plant is related to the sugar and mineral.content of the plant. Not at all stress. Ie brix levels - terpenes. What it actually smells like is dependent on genetics.

Bad influence by giving out bad info.

You couldn't be more wrong but hey it's a pot forum

 

[hyroot]

That forum you linked doesn't say anything about boiling water. Just flooding water to force the plant to create more carbohydrates . Ironically plants can only use a small amount of carbs sugars anyway.

If use a refractometer you can.measure the sugar and mineral.content of the plant.


Hey you linked a forum so....

 

[hyroot]

You couldn't be more wrong but hey it's a pot forum

You couldn't answer my question so you try to insult me instead. Well hey its a pot forum.

 

[RM3]

You couldn't answer my question so you try to insult me instead. Well hey its a pot forum.

Because plants can not move, can not escape predators or flee when neighbouring plants overwhelm their territory, they have developed a very efficient defence strategy, primarily based on chemical warfare.

Terpenes ensure several functions: for example, some of them keep predators away, others kill them, others slow their maturation, and others affect their metabolism somehow. Plants use other aromatic molecules to attract pollinating insects -thus ensuring reproduction – or to attract predators of their enemies. Apart from these, there are also other terpenes that can develop because of stress of the plant(excess heat, etc).

 

[hyroot]

Because plants can not move, can not escape predators or flee when neighbouring plants overwhelm their territory, they have developed a very efficient defence strategy, primarily based on chemical warfare.

Terpenes ensure several functions: for example, some of them keep predators away, others kill them, others slow their maturation, and others affect their metabolism somehow. Plants use other aromatic molecules to attract pollinating insects -thus ensuring reproduction – or to attract predators of their enemies. Apart from these, there are also other terpenes that can develop because of stress of the plant(excess heat, etc).

I know what terpenes are. You didn't explain how stress causes a plant to stink . That was my question. I don't ask what terpenes are and what their function is. I basically asked how does stress create terpenes as to your post

My happy plants don't stink while growing, they stink just fine once harvested, the biological truth is the stink is a response to stress.

By that you are implying that everyone that has high terp profiles has stressed out plants. Which couldn't be further from the truth.

I guess you just have bammer genetics.

 

[RM3]

I know what terpenes are. You didn't explain how stress causes a plant to stink . That was my question. I don't ask what terpenes are and what their function is. I basically asked how does stress create terpenes as to your post




By that you are implying that everyone that has high terp profiles has stressed out plants. Which couldn't be further from the truth.

I guess you just have bammer genetics.

So the bolded terpenes created by stress eludes you ???

I can go down to my smell free garden right now and simply slap a bud and stink my whole house up. Plants use the smells to communicate and defend and the defense is a response to any stressor whether attack from a critter or excessive heat

Once you eliminate stress they don't stink it's that simple and I'm not the only grower doing it, just because you can't wrap your mind around it does not mean it isn't true.

as for bammer genetics, I currently have a 70's Skunk X afghan going yeppers the original stank bud and guess what no stank while growing

 

[RM3]

The plant volatilome is defined as the complex blend of volatile organic compounds (VOCs) fed by different biosynthetic pathways and produced by plants, constitutively and/or after induction, as a defense strategy against biotic and abiotic stress (Maffei et al. 2007). Almost all plants are able to emit VOCs and the content and composition of these organic compounds shows both genotypic variation and phenotypic plasticity. VOCs are released from leaves, flowers, and fruits into the atmosphere and from roots into the soil. The primary functions of airborne VOCs are to defend plants against herbivores and pathogens, to attract pollinators, seed dispersers, and other beneficial animals and microorganisms, and to serve as signals in plant–plant communication (Dudareva and Pichersky 2008 ). In some plants, released VOCs may also act as wound sealers. Some plants use the volatilome as a direct defense through constitutive secretion in specialized tissues that accumulate deterrent compounds, whereas others produce VOCs as indirect defense. In both strategies biotic and abiotic stresses may alter or increase the plant volatilome content. The plant volatilome is also involved in plant–plant interactions, signaling between symbiotic organisms and for the attraction of pollinating insects (Figure 1). The biochemistry and molecular biology of the plant volatilome is vast and complex; it includes several biochemical pathways and thousands of genes. The plant volatilome has wide agricultural and industrial applications, from the search for sustainable methods for pest control to the valuable production of flavours, fragrances, and phytochemicals.

Figure 1 The plant volatilome. Plants emit a wide array of volatile compounds for pollinator attraction and in response to biotic and abiotic stress. Flowers emit compounds belonging to several major classes of VOCs to attract pollinators. Extrafloral nectaries attract both ants and butterflies and their activation is inducible by insect herbivory. Several beetles, such as Chrysolina herbacea, feed on aromatic plants despite their toxic compounds and induce increased VOC plant emissions. Aphids feeding on plants trigger the emission of several monoterpenes and homoterpenes. Sucking herbivores, like spider mites, induce VOC emissions that attract their predators. Chewing herbivores, like Spodoptera littoralis, induce plant emission of several monoterpenes, sesquiterpenes, and homoterpenes that attract predatory wasps. Oviposition induces plant volatile emission for host and prey location by parasitoids and predators. Insect-induced below-ground plant signals include the emission of several sesquiterpenoids which strongly attract entomopathogenic nematodes. Plant–bacteria interactions promote plant synthesis of sesquiterpenoid precursors, which are eventually transformed into an array of chemically diverse VOCs.
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