Just in case you thought Israel was a nice country, just misunderstood

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
They both BELIEVE god gave them the rights to israel. That is a fact.
Nobody can ever really know what another person is thinking. You stated your own belief but can't really know what "they" think.

Your religious argument shows no way out. Wars only end when the leadership find it in their best interest to end them. Then they will pick and choose from your holy texts to justify it. And a religious excuse will be made to justify it to the religious masses.
 

Flaming Pie

Well-Known Member
Bullshit.
Not bullshit. It is a fact. Look it up.

Britain owned palestine. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

Some more reading.

Balfour_portrait_and_declaration.jpg

Translation of the Declaration by the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The Land of Israel was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here their spiritual, religious and political identity was shaped. Here they first attained to statehood, created cultural values of national and universal significance and gave to the world the eternal Book of Books.

After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom.

Impelled by this historic and traditional attachment, Jews strove in every successive generation to re-establish themselves in their ancient homeland. In recent decades they returned in their masses. Pioneers, ma'pilim [(Hebrew) - immigrants coming to Eretz-Israel in defiance of restrictive legislation] and defenders, they made deserts bloom, revived the Hebrew language, built villages and towns, and created a thriving community controlling its own economy and culture, loving peace but knowing how to defend itself, bringing the blessings of progress to all the country's inhabitants, and aspiring towards independent nationhood.

In the year 5657 (1897), at the summons of the spiritual father of the Jewish State, Theodore Herzl, the First Zionist Congress convened and proclaimed the right of the Jewish people to national rebirth in its own country.

This right was recognized in the Balfour Declaration of the 2nd November, 1917, and re-affirmed in the Mandate of the League of Nations which, in particular, gave international sanction to the historic connection between the Jewish people and Eretz-Israel and to the right of the Jewish people to rebuild its National Home.

The catastrophe which recently befell the Jewish people - the massacre of millions of Jews in Europe - was another clear demonstration of the urgency of solving the problem of its homelessness by re-establishing in Eretz-Israel the Jewish State, which would open the gates of the homeland wide to every Jew and confer upon the Jewish people the status of a fully privileged member of the comity of nations.

Survivors of the Nazi holocaust in Europe, as well as Jews from other parts of the world, continued to migrate to Eretz-Israel, undaunted by difficulties, restrictions and dangers, and never ceased to assert their right to a life of dignity, freedom and honest toil in their national homeland.

In the Second World War, the Jewish community of this country contributed its full share to the struggle of the freedom- and peace-loving nations against the forces of Nazi wickedness and, by the blood of its soldiers and its war effort, gained the right to be reckoned among the peoples who founded the United Nations.

On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable.

This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State.

ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE BASIS OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948, the People's Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called "Israel".

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel.

WE APPEAL to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the comity of nations.

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.

WE APPEAL to the Jewish people throughout the Diaspora to rally round the Jews of Eretz-Israel in the tasks of immigration and upbuilding and to stand by them in the great struggle for the realization of the age-old dream - the redemption of Israel.

PLACING OUR TRUST IN THE "ROCK OF ISRAEL", WE AFFIX OUR SIGNATURES TO THIS PROCLAMATION AT THIS SESSION OF THE PROVISIONAL COUNCIL OF STATE, ON THE SOIL OF THE HOMELAND, IN THE CITY OF TEL-AVIV, ON THIS SABBATH EVE, THE 5TH DAY OF IYAR, 5708 (14TH MAY,1948).[33]
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Not bullshit. It is a fact. Look it up.

Britain owned palestine. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

Some more reading.

View attachment 3683204

Translation of the Declaration by the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The Land of Israel was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here their spiritual, religious and political identity was shaped. Here they first attained to statehood, created cultural values of national and universal significance and gave to the world the eternal Book of Books.

After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people kept faith with it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom.

Impelled by this historic and traditional attachment, Jews strove in every successive generation to re-establish themselves in their ancient homeland. In recent decades they returned in their masses. Pioneers, ma'pilim [(Hebrew) - immigrants coming to Eretz-Israel in defiance of restrictive legislation] and defenders, they made deserts bloom, revived the Hebrew language, built villages and towns, and created a thriving community controlling its own economy and culture, loving peace but knowing how to defend itself, bringing the blessings of progress to all the country's inhabitants, and aspiring towards independent nationhood.

In the year 5657 (1897), at the summons of the spiritual father of the Jewish State, Theodore Herzl, the First Zionist Congress convened and proclaimed the right of the Jewish people to national rebirth in its own country.

This right was recognized in the Balfour Declaration of the 2nd November, 1917, and re-affirmed in the Mandate of the League of Nations which, in particular, gave international sanction to the historic connection between the Jewish people and Eretz-Israel and to the right of the Jewish people to rebuild its National Home.

The catastrophe which recently befell the Jewish people - the massacre of millions of Jews in Europe - was another clear demonstration of the urgency of solving the problem of its homelessness by re-establishing in Eretz-Israel the Jewish State, which would open the gates of the homeland wide to every Jew and confer upon the Jewish people the status of a fully privileged member of the comity of nations.

Survivors of the Nazi holocaust in Europe, as well as Jews from other parts of the world, continued to migrate to Eretz-Israel, undaunted by difficulties, restrictions and dangers, and never ceased to assert their right to a life of dignity, freedom and honest toil in their national homeland.

In the Second World War, the Jewish community of this country contributed its full share to the struggle of the freedom- and peace-loving nations against the forces of Nazi wickedness and, by the blood of its soldiers and its war effort, gained the right to be reckoned among the peoples who founded the United Nations.

On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable.

This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State.

ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE BASIS OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948, the People's Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called "Israel".

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel.

WE APPEAL to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the comity of nations.

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.

WE APPEAL to the Jewish people throughout the Diaspora to rally round the Jews of Eretz-Israel in the tasks of immigration and upbuilding and to stand by them in the great struggle for the realization of the age-old dream - the redemption of Israel.

PLACING OUR TRUST IN THE "ROCK OF ISRAEL", WE AFFIX OUR SIGNATURES TO THIS PROCLAMATION AT THIS SESSION OF THE PROVISIONAL COUNCIL OF STATE, ON THE SOIL OF THE HOMELAND, IN THE CITY OF TEL-AVIV, ON THIS SABBATH EVE, THE 5TH DAY OF IYAR, 5708 (14TH MAY,1948).[33]
First paragraph in your link
Mandatory Palestine[1] (Arabic: فلسطين‎ Filasṭīn; Hebrew: פָּלֶשְׂתִּינָה (א"י) Pālēśtīnā (EY), where "EY" indicates "Eretz Yisrael", Land of Israel) was a geopolitical entity under British administration, carved out of Ottoman Southern Syria after World War I. British civil administration in Palestine operated from 1920 until 1948. During its existence it was known simply as Palestine, but, in retrospect, as distinguishers, a variety of other names and descriptors have been used to refer to it, including Mandatory or Mandate Palestine, the British Mandate of Palestine and British Palestine

Britain Controlled it. They didn't own it
 

bravedave

Well-Known Member
British Ran the Country
They didn't own the land
Owns? Jews had a state in Palestine before Joseph Smith brought it the Muslim religion. Oops... Meant
Jews had a state in what is now Israel when the ancestors of current Muslims were not worshipping Allah but goats, snails and shiny objects.
 

oswizzle

Well-Known Member
Queen Elizabeth is a Jew and her real last name is SAXBERG.. She is a Zionist.. Largest land owner in the world.. Trillions of $$$ and also the largest share holder of the IRS based out of Puerto Rico..

You can trace her lineage back the ROTHCHILDS
 

bravedave

Well-Known Member
Can they show deeds to the land? The Arabs that got expelled can
. Pbbbbt.
Tough hop. Deeds granted by whom? In Gaza? The West Bank? Maybe if when given back Gaza they didn't just treat it as a change of battle fronts... They would have both places back. You all are like enablers to your delinquent child.
 

Ace Yonder

Well-Known Member
...which is the exact purpose of this thread; to debunk that fallacy and expose the Israeli government as the callous and habitual human rights violators that they are, irrespective of religion.
You and oswizzle are on the same side. Think about that. Think about the class of people you have allied yourself with. The quality of information put forward by proponents of your beliefs. See how NONE of the FACTS I have brought up have been countered? See how EVERY SINGE THING oswizzle has posted is total and utter bullshit? If Israel is a "callous and habitual human rights violator", what does that make Hamas? The living embodiment of evil? Because Hamas is worse than Israel by leaps and bounds, even in regards to their own people who they are absolutely willing to use as meat shields. If you, as a terrorist, surround yourself with civilians, and your government orders the civilians to stay around you, you and your government are responsible for the inevitable deaths of those civilians, not the government combating your terrorist actions against them.
 

Ace Yonder

Well-Known Member
Problem with criticizing Israel is you are either accused of anti Semitism or supported by anti semites
I would argue the former is usually because of the latter, and the refusal to combat the views they espouse. The fact is, the vast majority of people who claim to be "anti-Zionist" ARE using it as a cover for their antisemitism, and the few who have legitimate complaints are by far the minority.
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
I would argue the former is usually because of the latter, and the refusal to combat the views they espouse. The fact is, the vast majority of people who claim to be "anti-Zionist" ARE using it as a cover for their antisemitism, and the few who have legitimate complaints are by far the minority.
I've worn the yamulka at plenty of Funerals in my family
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
I would argue the former is usually because of the latter, and the refusal to combat the views they espouse. The fact is, the vast majority of people who claim to be "anti-Zionist" ARE using it as a cover for their antisemitism, and the few who have legitimate complaints are by far the minority.
I wouldn't doubt if you and oswuzzle aren't the same person
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
I would argue the former is usually because of the latter, and the refusal to combat the views they espouse. The fact is, the vast majority of people who claim to be "anti-Zionist" ARE using it as a cover for their antisemitism, and the few who have legitimate complaints are by far the minority.
I'm guessing you would call yourself a Zionist?
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Owns? Jews had a state in Palestine before Joseph Smith brought it the Muslim religion. Oops... Meant
Jews had a state in what is now Israel when the ancestors of current Muslims were not worshipping Allah but goats, snails and shiny objects.
That was something like 2000 years ago. Rome deprived the Jewish people of ownership at that time. It was all legal and proper. At least by Roman standards.

I'm not debating whether or not the people of Israel belong where they are, I'm just saying that the biblical claim is nonsense. Modern history has plenty of precedents to allow this claim to be made.
 

oswizzle

Well-Known Member
Im Anti-Zionist and understand that Jews control the Media, Medical, Education, Political system ... therefore I say fuck em all ...

Hamas lol a bunch of fertilizer rocket tossers lol vs Nuclear Israel... ever heard of David vs Goliath

Truth is ..even the Bible has been edited like a motherfucker and its been used to brain washed old white people into believing that Jesus Killers are God Chosen people and need to Suck the US dry for its own self defense...

Israel is scum and all of its leaders should burn in Hell ... Its a shame for the real Jews.. aka the Palestinians that because of fairy tales they've been treated like garbage... fuck Israel.. one day hopefully someone hits the Dimona Nuclear plant with a proper sized munition and turn that whole region into sand .. thats what they deserve for getting so many People including USA soldiers killed in their War of Regional Dominance..
 

oswizzle

Well-Known Member
Israel and Saudi Arabia are the 2 biggest fairy tale terrorist countries on the planet... Nuke both of them and we might have world stability and peace
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Im Anti-Zionist and understand that Jews control the Media, Medical, Education, Political system ... therefore I say fuck em all ...

Hamas lol a bunch of fertilizer rocket tossers lol vs Nuclear Israel... ever heard of David vs Goliath

Truth is ..even the Bible has been edited like a motherfucker and its been used to brain washed old white people into believing that Jesus Killers are God Chosen people and need to Suck the US dry for its own self defense...

Israel is scum and all of its leaders should burn in Hell ... Its a shame for the real Jews.. aka the Palestinians that because of fairy tales they've been treated like garbage... fuck Israel.. one day hopefully someone hits the Dimona Nuclear plant with a proper sized munition and turn that whole region into sand .. thats what they deserve for getting so many People including USA soldiers killed in their War of Regional Dominance..
stfu, anti-semite.
 
Top