The Fallacy of Insuring Minimal Safe Oxygenating RDWC Using Hydrogen Peroxide

J Henry

Active Member
The Fallacy of Insuring Minimal Safe Oxygenating RDWC Using Hydrogen Peroxide – They say that if you are really into “cheap oxygenation,” then surely one of the cheapest and easiest ways to oxygenate your nutrient solution is to use hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). They say that H2O2 can particularly be helpful if your solution is lacking in oxygen or your roots are suffering from root rot. Some even say that low oxygen levels are often causes big problems in RDWC hydroponics – some claim that opportunist fungi pathogens only thrive in low oxygen (hypoxic) environments (the dreaded root rot disease).

Dissolved Oxygen Saturation in nutrient solution: Do you know or Do you guess how much dissolved oxygen is in your nutrient solution? Most people guess and hope there will be enough DO. If you don’t know the DO Saturation, sometime you could guess right when the plants and root zones look healthy and sometimes you guess wrong and discover this when the plants begin to die and look sickly. When and if you guessed wrong, fungal opportunist are always waiting to attack. Most people have heard that these fungal pathogens fail to thrive in oxygen rich environments. Some believe this is true, some don’t and many are totally unconcerned.

Of course the only way to know if your nutrient solution is OK or really low on oxygen is test the Dissolved Oxygen Saturation with a DO Meter. But, that cost money. No one I know ever test the DO because everyone says those DO Meters cost too much so guessing is cheaper and everybody always hopes low DO will never happen to them. Most people just wait and see and hope. When the roots get slimy and brown, then they know beyond any doubt that they have got an opportunist fungi infection (root rot). That’s caused by a low-O2 problem in your water and root zone. Then comes crisis awareness and the emergency – the soup Rx.

So what is the world does low DO really mean? Low DO means anything below 100% DO Saturation in nutrient solution in RDWC regardless of nutrient temperature, solute concentration or barometric pressure – 65F – 82F. DO saturation and concentration can be tested and measured accurately with a DO Meter or other chemical DO test.

But, H2O2 is a potent chemical that is a known bacteria killer and it can completely rid your reservoir of all microbes, the good, the bad and the ugly. H2O2 is a killer and does not discriminate, this chemical will kill your Beneficial’s and everything else.

Hydrogen peroxide certainly has its uses as an antimicrobial disinfectant used for cuts and skin scrapes.

Then they say if oxygenation your primary purpose and you have a problem with using H2O2, then it is better to use an air pump in your reservoir for oxygenation while using beneficial bacteria. That is if you want to assume that air will insure minimal save oxygen levels for all the microbes in the solution and root zone. Most people believe that air is oxygen and plenty of air insures plenty of oxygen. But air is not oxygen, it’s mostly Nitrogen gas. Oh well, let’s assume that air is oxygen because air is free… more air equals plenty of oxygen.

Finally when all fails and opportunist fungi invade – wash the big brown chunks and slim off the roots, buy a chiller and chill your water. Maybe that will insure minimal safe oxygenation for the plants and microbe colonies, chillers and electricity is not Free. Free-Free-Free is a catchy buzz-word and very popular these days.

Horticulture science trumps hope and luck.

J
 

pop22

Well-Known Member
be careful debunking horticultural myths......... you will become a pariah as people hate to admit they're doing anything wrong!

" Lemon meringue pie WILL work! My mother's, uncle's, girlfriend's brother inlaw once grew a 70ft northern lights by feeding it pie".......
 

redi jedi

Well-Known Member
The Fallacy of Insuring Minimal Safe Oxygenating RDWC Using Hydrogen Peroxide – They say that if you are really into “cheap oxygenation,” then surely one of the cheapest and easiest ways to oxygenate your nutrient solution is to use hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). They say that H2O2 can particularly be helpful if your solution is lacking in oxygen or your roots are suffering from root rot. Some even say that low oxygen levels are often causes big problems in RDWC hydroponics – some claim that opportunist fungi pathogens only thrive in low oxygen (hypoxic) environments (the dreaded root rot disease).

Dissolved Oxygen Saturation in nutrient solution: Do you know or Do you guess how much dissolved oxygen is in your nutrient solution? Most people guess and hope there will be enough DO. If you don’t know the DO Saturation, sometime you could guess right when the plants and root zones look healthy and sometimes you guess wrong and discover this when the plants begin to die and look sickly. When and if you guessed wrong, fungal opportunist are always waiting to attack. Most people have heard that these fungal pathogens fail to thrive in oxygen rich environments. Some believe this is true, some don’t and many are totally unconcerned.

Of course the only way to know if your nutrient solution is OK or really low on oxygen is test the Dissolved Oxygen Saturation with a DO Meter. But, that cost money. No one I know ever test the DO because everyone says those DO Meters cost too much so guessing is cheaper and everybody always hopes low DO will never happen to them. Most people just wait and see and hope. When the roots get slimy and brown, then they know beyond any doubt that they have got an opportunist fungi infection (root rot). That’s caused by a low-O2 problem in your water and root zone. Then comes crisis awareness and the emergency – the soup Rx.

So what is the world does low DO really mean? Low DO means anything below 100% DO Saturation in nutrient solution in RDWC regardless of nutrient temperature, solute concentration or barometric pressure – 65F – 82F. DO saturation and concentration can be tested and measured accurately with a DO Meter or other chemical DO test.

But, H2O2 is a potent chemical that is a known bacteria killer and it can completely rid your reservoir of all microbes, the good, the bad and the ugly. H2O2 is a killer and does not discriminate, this chemical will kill your Beneficial’s and everything else.

Hydrogen peroxide certainly has its uses as an antimicrobial disinfectant used for cuts and skin scrapes.

Then they say if oxygenation your primary purpose and you have a problem with using H2O2, then it is better to use an air pump in your reservoir for oxygenation while using beneficial bacteria. That is if you want to assume that air will insure minimal save oxygen levels for all the microbes in the solution and root zone. Most people believe that air is oxygen and plenty of air insures plenty of oxygen. But air is not oxygen, it’s mostly Nitrogen gas. Oh well, let’s assume that air is oxygen because air is free… more air equals plenty of oxygen.

Finally when all fails and opportunist fungi invade – wash the big brown chunks and slim off the roots, buy a chiller and chill your water. Maybe that will insure minimal safe oxygenation for the plants and microbe colonies, chillers and electricity is not Free. Free-Free-Free is a catchy buzz-word and very popular these days.

Horticulture science trumps hope and luck.

J
Your posts read like a late night infomercial...
 

MaiNiaK420

Well-Known Member
I've been wondering myself if this guy is trying to sell something? He keeps showing up in every thread about root rot and goes on and on and on..... About the same thing..

Very wordy..!!
 

rkymtnman

Well-Known Member
I've been wondering myself if this guy is trying to sell something? He keeps showing up in every thread about root rot and goes on and on and on..... About the same thing..

Very wordy..!!
o2grow.com is his employer. or maybe he owns it. verbal diarrhea with no pics or evidence to back up his claims.
 

J Henry

Active Member
I've been wondering myself if this guy is trying to sell something? He keeps showing up in every thread about root rot and goes on and on and on..... About the same thing..

Very wordy..!!
This little root disease is as common as rain and failure to prevent it is normal. You must admit that the root rot is a very popular topic on many hydro pot growing forums. The root rot is always such a hot topic and treatment is the word on the street is always treatment, not prevention. Mention treatment and feathers get all fluffed up, people get besides themselves, angry, agitated, need a chill pill to calm down, really stimulated.

Prevention is very unlikely if not mostly impossible so why discuss it? Salesmen and hobbyist have many, many tips and tricks about how to treat fungal infestations after the disease embeds in the system and has become a problem, that often being way late and the damage is actively progressing. Water chillers, Clorox, H2O2, and everyone seems to have a special chemical cocktail to put the fires out but there's nothing sold to hobbyist that will really prevent the disease.

Seems that no hobbyist ever wonder why no one will or can prevent it? I have, I do wonder why failure root rot disease is so widespread and easily accepted? Most hobbyist growers do not seem much interested in prevention, but prefer to catch the disease fight the root rot with passion. Maybe an odd love/hate relationship with this disease? It's just easier to treat it because you can't prevent it is the mind set.
Like sex and catch'in herpes maybe?... you just got to live with it for the duration.
 

rkymtnman

Well-Known Member
Seems that no hobbyist ever wonder why no one will or can prevent it?
i'm a hobbyist. got root rot once. never again. so i have prevented it from recurring. and didn't need to spend $1000 on an oxygen concentrator.
 

redi jedi

Well-Known Member
This little root disease is as common as rain and failure to prevent it is normal. You must admit that the root rot is a very popular topic on many hydro pot growing forums. The root rot is always such a hot topic and treatment is the word on the street is always treatment, not prevention. Mention treatment and feathers get all fluffed up, people get besides themselves, angry, agitated, need a chill pill to calm down, really stimulated.

Prevention is very unlikely if not mostly impossible so why discuss it? Salesmen and hobbyist have many, many tips and tricks about how to treat fungal infestations after the disease embeds in the system and has become a problem, that often being way late and the damage is actively progressing. Water chillers, Clorox, H2O2, and everyone seems to have a special chemical cocktail to put the fires out but there's nothing sold to hobbyist that will really prevent the disease.

Seems that no hobbyist ever wonder why no one will or can prevent it? I have, I do wonder why failure root rot disease is so widespread and easily accepted? Most hobbyist growers do not seem much interested in prevention, but prefer to catch the disease fight the root rot with passion. Maybe an odd love/hate relationship with this disease? It's just easier to treat it because you can't prevent it is the mind set.
Like sex and catch'in herpes maybe?... you just got to live with it for the duration.
Prevention is possible. You just need to be proactive about it. IMO, cool water temps and good aeration are not enough. A sterilizing agent...h2o2..chlorine..or bennies need to be used /replaced religously
 
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