Just in case you thought Israel was a nice country, just misunderstood

M

MjAeJdIiK

Well-Known Member
Fogdog said:
To say the Israeli government represents all Jewish People would be like saying the Saudis represent all of Islam.

I don't know how all of this ends but I'd like to see the US take a neutral stance towards Israel and cut all military aid. As long as the US looms behind Israel, they won't even consider making peace. It's kind of like the jerk-kid acting the bully with his big brother in the background just in case the little shit starts getting back what he was giving.

I also don't want to see any more US hardware used to smash Palestinian homes, so maybe cut off sales of US hardware too. Let them use Russian or Chinese shit.
Click to expand...
Ahhh I totally get what you mean now... Yea that's some bullshit bigtinr... I have always hated how america gets involved in everyone's shit like that. Yea justblet them handle that shit themselves. But doesn't it have something to do with oil? We are over there backing Israel up so we have a gate to the middle east to get oil from Saudi Arabia? I'm super medicated right now sorry I sound dumb atm
 
M

MjAeJdIiK

Well-Known Member
Fogdog said:
The Jews were driven out of Palestine like 1000 years ago. How can anybody use the bible to justify Israel? People who's family owned an olive orchard for 600 years lose out because, Bible?

I honestly have no idea what ends this mess. I just want the US to get the hell out.
Click to expand...
I'm not justifying it, i was just asking because I was under the impression that these 2 cultures don't like each other and they will always find reasons to beef if they can? Is this not true? Does palistine really want peace? If if Israel and the US back the fuck up off of palistines nuts are the Palestinians going to chill out too? Or is the US gonna leave and Palestine just starts fuxking Israel up the ass? I think we should let them handle it themselves it shouldn't be our beef... Imagine if some other country was doing that to the US....
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
MjAeJdIiK said:
Ahhh I totally get what you mean now... Yea that's some bullshit bigtinr... I have always hated how america gets involved in everyone's shit like that. Yea justblet them handle that shit themselves. But doesn't it have something to do with oil? We are over there backing Israel up so we have a gate to the middle east to get oil from Saudi Arabia? I'm super medicated right now sorry I sound dumb atm
Click to expand...
I don't know if it's about access to oil, there seems to be plenty of that. It seems the cold war played a part as well as protecting US oil company's interests in access to Middle East's oil.

Here is one viewpoint:

Oil drives our Israel policy: New government documents reveal a very different history of America and the Middle East
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/04/oil_drives_our_israel_policy_new_government_documents_reveal_a_very_different_history_of_america_and_the_middle_east/

A pertinent passage in this article:
Within months of Israel’s emergence, U.S. officials reassessed their views of the new state, in accord with presidential recognition of Israel. What followed was not only recognition of Israeli sovereignty but recognition of its strategic potential in Washington’s postwar policy in the Middle East, which was designed to exclude the USSR and to protect U.S. oil interests and allied defense arrangements.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
MjAeJdIiK said:
I'm not justifying it, i was just asking because I was under the impression that these 2 cultures don't like each other and they will always find reasons to beef if they can? Is this not true? Does palistine really want peace? If if Israel and the US back the fuck up off of palistines nuts are the Palestinians going to chill out too? Or is the US gonna leave and Palestine just starts fuxking Israel up the ass? I think we should let them handle it themselves it shouldn't be our beef... Imagine if some other country was doing that to the US....
Click to expand...
This is why I'm turning the question around and asking if it would be any different if Muslims from Indonesia displaced Palestinians and set up their own country that excluded the refugees and gave second class rights to the remaining native population. With US backing. I don't think the resistance by Palestinians or Border States would be any different. The Bible and religion are just propaganda tools.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
has anyone ever passed on refugee status from generation to generation like the palestinians?

or are they completely and utterly unique in their intergenerational refugee status?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Fogdog said:
The Jews were driven out of Palestine like 1000 years ago. How can anybody use the bible to justify Israel? People who's family owned an olive orchard for 600 years lose out because, Bible?

I honestly have no idea what ends this mess. I just want the US to get the hell out.
Click to expand...
THIS.
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

Well-Known Member
Just 1 remark and it may not even be related, but thats fine, the only reason the US is showing presence in any fucking country is because there is something there they want, simple. Its not about protecting yada yada yada, its because there is some way to get $$$$$$. Same in Middle East, same in West Africa, Same in Asia, etc etc etc etc
 
M

MjAeJdIiK

Well-Known Member
Vnsmkr said:
Just 1 remark and it may not even be related, but thats fine, the only reason the US is showing presence in any fucking country is because there is something there they want, simple. Its not about protecting yada yada yada, its because there is some way to get $$$$$$. Same in Middle East, same in West Africa, Same in Asia, etc etc etc etc
Click to expand...
Pretty much what it looks like huh
 
bravedave

bravedave

Well-Known Member
MjAeJdIiK said:
To bulldoze peoples houses with? That's fuct up.
Click to expand...
Are you sure you are not misremembering the removal of Jews from Gaza prior to them attempting to give it to the Palistinians. There the Israeli's bulldozed the homes of Jews so they wouldn't hold out. What did the Palestinians do with that opportunity?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Chef420 said:
Please let this thread die. I don't care to know who the anti Semites are in here.
Click to expand...
That isn't the point.

The point is to shame Israel into respecting its citizens and neighbors who DON'T happen to be Jewish.

...Or at least shame America into shutting off the flow of money and munitions that are being so obviously misused.

Because I don't want Palestinian blood on my hands and goddammit we have better things to spend our limited tax dollars on!
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

Well-Known Member
ttystikk said:
That isn't the point.

The point is to shame Israel into respecting its citizens and neighbors who DON'T happen to be Jewish.

...Or at least shame America into shutting off the flow of money and munitions that are being so obviously misused.

Because I don't want Palestinian blood on my hands and goddammit we have better things to spend our limited tax dollars on!
Click to expand...
I dont think it possible to shame America....I see and have seen some pretty shameful shit yet they keep on....and at a faster pace it seems these days
 
Vnsmkr

Vnsmkr

Well-Known Member
I vote for the whole world just to be earth, fuck all these ignorant ass boundary lines including the passports to enter. Fucking dumbest thing ever and it just shows our egos are so in control that we must be competitive with everyone and there must be an enemy; again fucking dumbest thing ever. Why cant people just wake the fuck up and get along? Ok rant over, peace out. Back to my corner
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top