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MrStickyScissors

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Fogdog said:
$1.00 to build the wall? Credible source for this? Did you get it from the Donalds quivering tripple chinned mouth? Seriously, his chin quivers when he talks. Its so disgusting its almost hypnotic. Maybe that's why so many weak minded people vote for him.



The wall is a good example of the kind of president Trump wants to be. Why would you vote for a person to be president that has huge promises and provides nothing to explain how he will deliver on them.

Without any other estimates, I dug around and found something that at least makes a smidgen of sense regarding the cost of that wall.

Source: http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb

Raw materials cost alone is $17 Billion:
Going off of materials estimate we have… 167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000 1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

But that's not all. you have to pay somebody to build it. Rule of thumb is the cost to pay somebody to build a project is about the same as the materials cost. So, another $17 Billion

Total thus far: $34 Billion

Then there are legally required environmental impact studies, mitigation for environmental impact and land that would have to be purchased where the wall crosses private land. So, way rough estimate, add another $6 billion

Do you have anything with some sort of citation that says 200 million to build this wall? How about anything credible out there that provides an estimate better than mine? Until you do, I'll stand by my estimate.
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I did a paper on how much it costs to provide care and all the money spent on illegals that are incarcerated. I will post it when I have time. But the numbers are way up there and that's annually. A wall is a one time investment with a little bit of upkeep.
 
londonfog

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MrStickyScissors said:
I did a paper on how much it costs to provide care and all the money spent on illegals that are incarcerated. I will post it when I have time. But the numbers are way up there and that's annually. A wall is a one time investment with a little bit of upkeep.
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good thing people don't know how to dig tunnels underground...wait never mind
 
nitro harley

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Fogdog said:
$1.00 to build the wall? Credible source for this? Did you get it from the Donalds quivering tripple chinned mouth? Seriously, his chin quivers when he talks. Its so disgusting its almost hypnotic. Maybe that's why so many weak minded people vote for him.



The wall is a good example of the kind of president Trump wants to be. Why would you vote for a person to be president that has huge promises and provides nothing to explain how he will deliver on them.

Without any other estimates, I dug around and found something that at least makes a smidgen of sense regarding the cost of that wall.

Source: http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb

Raw materials cost alone is $17 Billion:
Going off of materials estimate we have… 167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000 1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

But that's not all. you have to pay somebody to build it. Rule of thumb is the cost to pay somebody to build a project is about the same as the materials cost. So, another $17 Billion

Total thus far: $34 Billion

Then there are legally required environmental impact studies, mitigation for environmental impact and land that would have to be purchased where the wall crosses private land. So, way rough estimate, add another $6 billion

Do you have anything with some sort of citation that says 200 million to build this wall? How about anything credible out there that provides an estimate better than mine? Until you do, I'll stand by my estimate.
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We give the Arabs most of that, just in one year. We give Mexico 200 million per year and they get all our factories. So at this point nobody cares about the cost of the wall except for Mexico. Thanks Donald J TRUMP!
 
NLXSK1

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Fogdog said:
$1.00 to build the wall? Credible source for this? Did you get it from the Donalds quivering tripple chinned mouth? Seriously, his chin quivers when he talks. Its so disgusting its almost hypnotic. Maybe that's why so many weak minded people vote for him.



The wall is a good example of the kind of president Trump wants to be. Why would you vote for a person to be president that has huge promises and provides nothing to explain how he will deliver on them.

Without any other estimates, I dug around and found something that at least makes a smidgen of sense regarding the cost of that wall.

Source: http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb

Raw materials cost alone is $17 Billion:
Going off of materials estimate we have… 167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000 1,030,000 segments of 10’ pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000

But that's not all. you have to pay somebody to build it. Rule of thumb is the cost to pay somebody to build a project is about the same as the materials cost. So, another $17 Billion

Total thus far: $34 Billion

Then there are legally required environmental impact studies, mitigation for environmental impact and land that would have to be purchased where the wall crosses private land. So, way rough estimate, add another $6 billion

Do you have anything with some sort of citation that says 200 million to build this wall? How about anything credible out there that provides an estimate better than mine? Until you do, I'll stand by my estimate.
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You dont have a problem with us spending billions of dollars on foreign aid and suggest it would be punishing people for us not to continue to go into debt doing it forever yet are freaked out about the one time cost of a wall... Why do you hate America so much?
 
Padawanbater2

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NLXSK1 said:
Wages are not high enough because the government keeps pushing inflation which devalues the dollar. After every 25 years our money is worth half as much as it used to be.
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Provide a source for both of these claims:

1. The government keeps pushing inflation
2. Every 25 years our money is worth half
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The government does this because it is beneficial to the government even though it is devastating to the poor and people who attempt to save money.
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This one too:

3. The government increases inflation because it's beneficial to the government regardless of what it does to savings and poor people
NLXSK1 said:
I dont dislike the poor, I want them to be prosperous like everyone else. The way forward is by having more rich people, more jobs, more prosperity, not less.
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If you believe that, then why do you support an economic policy that demonstrably decreases the amount of rich people, decreases the amount of middle-class people and increases the amount of poor people?




NLXSK1 said:
Your position is to attack the rich, make jobs more expensive and demand things not based on economics.
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I don't view supporting a progressive tax policy as "attacking the rich". I hold the same position the overwhelming majority of Americans hold;



Jobs that can't afford to pay their employees a living wage without the taxpayers subsidizing them shouldn't exist. They should be allowed to fail because that's how it works in actual free market capitalism, something you say you support but obviously don't

The economic policy I favor ended the Great Depression and is responsible for unpresedented economic growth in the US between 1950-1970



The economic policy you favor has only benefited the top income earners;



"not based in economics"... :rolleyes:
NLXSK1 said:
And I understand that it comes from a lack of understanding about wages and the business model.
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I want economic prosperity for many, you apparently want it to concentrate in the hands of the few

Is that how you think it's supposed to work?
NLXSK1 said:
Most business have wages as their biggest cost and you want to double that cost. Most businesses also make less than 5% profit on their annual work. That profit is nowhere near enough to cover the increase in wages. So the costs have to go up and everything becomes more expensive.
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When wages are higher, more people have more disposable income, more people with more disposable income spend it throughout the economy, stimulating demand. When there is higher demand for goods and services, employers higher more people to meet those demands. That's what actually stimulates economic growth. The economic policies you support - lowering taxes on the rich and corporations - don't benefit the poor and middle-class, scroll back up and consult the charts. When there is low demand, they don't invest their money into the economy, they save it. That's why we currently see so much wealth and income inequality in America;





 
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