DWC and Oxygen (an essential nutrient), not air, aeration or hydrogen peroxide (H2O2)

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twistedwords

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This thread reminds of the guy who came here and talked about using a syringe to inject sugar water into the plants. Does anyone even bother using google or reading books about plants before coming here? It is simply amazing the shit people come up with.
 
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J Henry

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NVGrower said:
Just use Hydroguard right? And chill your water if need be.
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Couple quick questions for you about chillers and chilled water. Chillers are not cheap and the additional electrical cost to run them is ongoing:
1. Just exactly how do you know if and when your water needs chilling?
2. What is the real point of chilled water?
3.Do you have a problem with ambient water temperature?
4. Are chillers and all the electricity really worth the hassle and aggravation?
 
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Cheap is great, I like cheap too, but what exactly does cold water insure in your opinion? It definitely insures greater operational cost, more noise, more equipment in the way and more repair cost. When the refrigeration unit fails, what happens then... punt?
 
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J Henry said:
Couple quick questions for you about chillers and chilled water. Chillers are not cheap and the additional electrical cost to run them is ongoing:
1. Just exactly how do you know if and when your water needs chilling?
2. What is the real point of chilled water?
3.Do you have a problem with ambient water temperature?
4. Are chillers and all the electricity really worth the hassle and aggravation?
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I suggest a DIY chiller if your small scale. Check my signature, I made one out of a water cooler stand. Others make them out of a mini fridge. Colder water, more oxygen for the roots. Colder water holds more O2 ppm. I hear regular chillers are loud and they cost a lot to buy and run. The idea is to keep the water at 68* F for razor sharp grow your conditions.
 
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Well the gains and roi justify. Get a nice pro grade one that installs outside so noise doesnt get ya. As far as plan b do a geothermal heat exchange with pex 4 foot deep 300 feet long or so but thatll take as much labor and capital as just having a hot spare installed. Blacks law. Just make sure your not in position that the temp of your solution is the limiting factor of your ability to provide for yourself and patients. Im blessed to live so far north that this issue has less impact as its already so cold i could for 8 months of the year hang an air pump outside ha. So many ways to skin this issue. Set target of 19c for best resperation of the rhyzosphere. Not to cold and not to hot best DO saturation. http://www.chillking.com
 
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J Henry

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NVGrower said:
I suggest a DIY chiller if your small scale. Check my signature, I made one out of a water cooler stand. Others make them out of a mini fridge. Colder water, more oxygen for the roots. Colder water holds more O2 ppm. I hear regular chillers are loud and they cost a lot to buy and run. The idea is to keep the water at 68* F for razor sharp grow your conditions.
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How about this. No electric water chiller, no chilled water, A/C controlled room temp 75F, nutrient temp 75 F, air temp 75F and continuous 100% -135% DO Saturation throughout the nutrient solution 24/7?

This seems more ideal to me. The high continuous DO Saturation - Supersaturation will surely inhibit opportunist fungal growth while insuring excellent safe oxygenation for plants and beneficial microbes.

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pinner420

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I would speculate that the release rate of bottled o2 would have a cooooling effect just like in terminator 2
 
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pinner420

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I was trying to say if you get a chiller and utilize heat exchangers you save money on all fronts air and water temps as kwh to cool water is less as demonstrated in the graph.. Hope that helps.
 
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I better clarify i do not work for chillking they are just innovators in liquid cooled everything from air handlers to co2 gens and have so many answers to the problems presented in keeping temps of everything on point..
 
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pinner420

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The point is you get to kill two birds with one stone. Air is expensive to cool. Short term yes if its what you have then roll with it. For the purpose of getting underway start pumping the gas and get all the fancy dudads that save operational costs later. When do you intend to start this?
 
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pinner420 said:
The point is you get to kill two birds with one stone. Air is expensive to cool. Short term yes if its what you have then roll with it. For the purpose of getting underway start pumping the gas and get all the fancy dudads that save operational costs later. When do you intend to start this?
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Several scientific white papers will be published in the horticulture literature in 2016.
 
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lahadaextranjera

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Labs Dexter said:
It's crystals enhancer I said, ask @jacksthc he is gonna start using the same honey I mentioned and @lahadaextranjera.

They are more professionals than me and they can maybe explain more.

I done it because my uncle uses it.. And he said it will help with me stressing the plants.

I think it helps the plants thrive but it's gotta be organic raw honey, if like you organic grower should try it I bet your plants will be praying.

But even non organic soil you can get good advantage from honey.

I told you before I grow personal and prefer to use honey, when I do get an actual legal lab maybe then buddy until then why don't you try it.

Why you gotta mention me every time without trying?

I said before I run cheap nutes and use honey as addetives to help the plants tackle stress, and the crystals dripping
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@Gary Goodson

Hi guys! Sorry for the late reply.

Wanted to take a picture of something in my fridge but my memory is full.

Check this:- I've been given a jar of organic brown sugar water!! Lol from my Italian punk grow friend! He swears by it so much he's asked me to use it on one side of the garden.

I keep forgetting , until I saw this- again! Lol

So I watered a couple of them tonight with it and they looked quite perky. They'll prob dead tomorrow tho! ;)

I will use it a bit. They look ok anyway though. So it's sugar water I've tried tonight.
 
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image.jpeg image.jpeg Just installed a passive chiller for my setup to help with a nasty case of rot that I threw everything I had at. The chilled water I Believe cured it and now that I am keeping the water at 65-66 my plants have never been healthier. My setup consists of a copper closed loop coil outside with one circ pump that draws .5 amps and one fountain pump to recirc water through heat exchanger. image.jpegThis works great when temps are below 45 so not for everyone and yup I'll probably add mechanical cooling for higher ambient temps. These are cuttings takin 3.5 weeks ago
 
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