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Hey guys,
While Im a new member, I have been searching through this site for years out of boredom during "work breaks". I recently decided to sprout new seeds. These were holy grail by dna followed by the rest of the seeds from attitudes Christmas Promo. It has been awhile that I have started seeds. Been using clones for years. Recently nearing the end of harvest I had an accident that almost ruined my harvest, but ended up killing all new coming clones and remaining mother plants as well. This led me to start a new grow using all new strains. While at the hydro store getting promix for seedlings, I let a guy talk me into buying the lightwarrior instead and he explains to me why its so much better for seedlings than pro mix. Everything I know from over a decade of experience and common sense told me not to buy it. I even began a debate how seedlings needed nothing but a neutral medium and water. No nutes, no beneficials, just water. He simply kept on raving about it and then proceeded to tell me that he would guarantee me I would not regret it. I gave in. Now I regret it. I planted all but one seedling in the lightwarrior. The remaining one,for shits and giggles, I planted in Miracle Grow seed starting formula because I have a home depot 2 mins from the house vs. the hydro store being 2 hours away. I simply wanted to test the miracle grow for future reference even though its frowned upon for our industry. The pictures ive included will show you what these seedlings look like at 14 days including germination. What you are looking at is the lightwarriors housing all of my DNA beans and all of the promos as well with the exception of an auto strain I randomly put in the miracle grow. The evidence speaks for itself. The miracle grow is thriving while lightwarriors are dying. From the very beginning, before even planting, I checked runoff on both soils from the initial soak thru using virgin R.O. water at 6.0ph. Light warrior came back with an impressive ph of 6.0. Miracle grow came back at at just a hair over 4.0. (massively acidic). I decided to plant seeds without any further adjustments. Not even any adjustments to the acidic miracle grow. Immeidately I noticed the miracle grow cup sprouted the fastest. Once all seeds popped out of soil I knew something was already wrong due to the miracle grow cup growing like its on steroids compared to EVERY OTHER cup. I begin taking evasive maneuvers and discovered what was causing my problems. Once seedlings established, I decided to flush all cups, even the miracle grow that was not having problems with 6.0ph water. The miracle grow cup showed the same acidic runoff of just over 4.0ph. The lightwarrior was now at over 8.0ph (alkaline medium). Realizing there is no way in hell these seeds will survive, I immediately flushed again this time with the most acidic water Ive ever ph'd at 4.0. I waited 10 minutes and flushed again with the same 4.0 water. Another 10 minutes and I flushed again with the same 4.0ph water. YOU READ THIS RIGHT. In less than an hour these cups were flushed once with 6.0ph water, followed by 3 flushes at 4.0ph. I checked the runoff of a cup towards the very end of the stream (now mostly clearish looking liquid and not orange brown as it was at first) and the PH for lightwarrior was still over 7.5. This is unacceptable. It seems light warrior is not a soil less mix and deserves to sit on the perlite shelf as most of this garbage is nothing but oystershells and perlite with a splash of peat. The reason why I suffered these ph levels is strictly due to the massive amount of oyster shell content in the mix. Let this be a lesson to all. Oystershells have no place in any seed starting mix. I can understand the importance of buffing PH, but that should only apply to grow soil thats had a chance for the peat to try to become acidic. I wonder how many newbies have bought this garbage to only blame the seed companies for "bad" seeds. Enclosed I will include the pics of the comparison, a picture that shows how much garbage is in this lightwarrior mix and a picture that shows one of the 4xs flushed medium that came out of the cup. The last picture shows that light warrior is NOT light and fluffy because of all the perlite and oyster shell they used but because it has no wetting agent. the water just runs right through not even being absorbed by most of the peat as the last picture will show dry spots everywhere immediately after each cup received half a gallon of water. So for future reference to the newbies... all you need to start seeds is sterilized peat moss with a wetting agent and preferably r.o. water at 6.0ph. Do NOT BUY LIGHT WARRIORView attachment 3325074 View attachment 3325074 View attachment 3325075 View attachment 3325075 View attachment 3325074
While Im a new member, I have been searching through this site for years out of boredom during "work breaks". I recently decided to sprout new seeds. These were holy grail by dna followed by the rest of the seeds from attitudes Christmas Promo. It has been awhile that I have started seeds. Been using clones for years. Recently nearing the end of harvest I had an accident that almost ruined my harvest, but ended up killing all new coming clones and remaining mother plants as well. This led me to start a new grow using all new strains. While at the hydro store getting promix for seedlings, I let a guy talk me into buying the lightwarrior instead and he explains to me why its so much better for seedlings than pro mix. Everything I know from over a decade of experience and common sense told me not to buy it. I even began a debate how seedlings needed nothing but a neutral medium and water. No nutes, no beneficials, just water. He simply kept on raving about it and then proceeded to tell me that he would guarantee me I would not regret it. I gave in. Now I regret it. I planted all but one seedling in the lightwarrior. The remaining one,for shits and giggles, I planted in Miracle Grow seed starting formula because I have a home depot 2 mins from the house vs. the hydro store being 2 hours away. I simply wanted to test the miracle grow for future reference even though its frowned upon for our industry. The pictures ive included will show you what these seedlings look like at 14 days including germination. What you are looking at is the lightwarriors housing all of my DNA beans and all of the promos as well with the exception of an auto strain I randomly put in the miracle grow. The evidence speaks for itself. The miracle grow is thriving while lightwarriors are dying. From the very beginning, before even planting, I checked runoff on both soils from the initial soak thru using virgin R.O. water at 6.0ph. Light warrior came back with an impressive ph of 6.0. Miracle grow came back at at just a hair over 4.0. (massively acidic). I decided to plant seeds without any further adjustments. Not even any adjustments to the acidic miracle grow. Immeidately I noticed the miracle grow cup sprouted the fastest. Once all seeds popped out of soil I knew something was already wrong due to the miracle grow cup growing like its on steroids compared to EVERY OTHER cup. I begin taking evasive maneuvers and discovered what was causing my problems. Once seedlings established, I decided to flush all cups, even the miracle grow that was not having problems with 6.0ph water. The miracle grow cup showed the same acidic runoff of just over 4.0ph. The lightwarrior was now at over 8.0ph (alkaline medium). Realizing there is no way in hell these seeds will survive, I immediately flushed again this time with the most acidic water Ive ever ph'd at 4.0. I waited 10 minutes and flushed again with the same 4.0 water. Another 10 minutes and I flushed again with the same 4.0ph water. YOU READ THIS RIGHT. In less than an hour these cups were flushed once with 6.0ph water, followed by 3 flushes at 4.0ph. I checked the runoff of a cup towards the very end of the stream (now mostly clearish looking liquid and not orange brown as it was at first) and the PH for lightwarrior was still over 7.5. This is unacceptable. It seems light warrior is not a soil less mix and deserves to sit on the perlite shelf as most of this garbage is nothing but oystershells and perlite with a splash of peat. The reason why I suffered these ph levels is strictly due to the massive amount of oyster shell content in the mix. Let this be a lesson to all. Oystershells have no place in any seed starting mix. I can understand the importance of buffing PH, but that should only apply to grow soil thats had a chance for the peat to try to become acidic. I wonder how many newbies have bought this garbage to only blame the seed companies for "bad" seeds. Enclosed I will include the pics of the comparison, a picture that shows how much garbage is in this lightwarrior mix and a picture that shows one of the 4xs flushed medium that came out of the cup. The last picture shows that light warrior is NOT light and fluffy because of all the perlite and oyster shell they used but because it has no wetting agent. the water just runs right through not even being absorbed by most of the peat as the last picture will show dry spots everywhere immediately after each cup received half a gallon of water. So for future reference to the newbies... all you need to start seeds is sterilized peat moss with a wetting agent and preferably r.o. water at 6.0ph. Do NOT BUY LIGHT WARRIORView attachment 3325074 View attachment 3325074 View attachment 3325075 View attachment 3325075 View attachment 3325074
