That will only be to your detriment. Enjoy your purchase.
NEW LED TECH, what should I get??
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OMG I dont like you lol, you have an elitist attitude and no sense of humour, just my 2 cents, but you probably dont like me so we're even
Why did you want to help me so much? Were you just talking to me because you thought I was spamming?
If you saw the lights I use, you wouldn't say that. I'm the trailer-park boy of efficient LED.
You're just buying a light, not getting married. Many people have been offended (for some reason) about this conversation. It's typical. You should look at @REALSTYLES posts when he got here. Same thing. He experienced it himself.
I don't know why it has to be so emotionally invested when all it boils down to is the performance you need. If you can live with typical epi-whatever power requirements, T5HO and CMH are better values (light, heat, energy used). It's not elitism to point that (no more than it is to say a certain brand of mayonaise is on sale this week and costs less). It's just data.
If I were you,l since you have warm-fuzzies about this light, I would ask the guy to give you a special deal, a 180-day return policy so you can see if we make all this stuff up. You could be the champion of truth and justice.
Do whatever you want. I don't care. It just seems odd to be so sensitive to people with more experience sharing it with you, while complaining about all the work you had to do just to find what you know now (based on gut instinct?).
It's your money. I really don't care. You should talk to the Mr. Realstyles.
tripleD
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I spent alot of time reviewing different LED's like the one's that you mentioned above, as well as the KIND LED & the spydr 600 from BML, & after talking to people that don't have any skin in the game as they say & after thoroughly exhausting myself & listening to alot of different people with alot of different opinions, I decided on the spydr 600 from BML (even though I think they are a bit pricey) because they are made here locally (Austin Texas) and I was able to see them in action & talk to people in person who had been using them...
I am semi retired & just recently decided to start growing my own as a hobby & I started with CMHD & HPS bulbs first, but I did not like the HEAT so I converted over to the spydr 600 for this grow & so far I've been very very pleased. I've really been enjoying the process of learning as much as I can & am very appreciative of all the help that folks have given me on here whenever I've needed some advice... Good Luck!!
Tbh I'm just really tired...If you saw the lights I use, you wouldn't say that. I'm the trailer-park boy of efficient LED.
You're just buying a light, not getting married. Many people have been offended (for some reason) about this conversation. It's typical. You should look at @REALSTYLES posts when he got here. Same thing. He experienced it himself.
I don't know why it has to be so emotionally invested when all it boils down to is the performance you need. If you can live with typical epi-whatever power requirements, T5HO and CMH are better values (light, heat, energy used). It's not elitism to point that (no more than it is to say a certain brand of mayonaise is on sale this week and costs less). It's just data.
If I were you,l since you have warm-fuzzies about this light, I would ask the guy to give you a special deal, a 180-day return policy so you can see if we make all this stuff up. You could be the champion of truth and justice.
Do whatever you want. I don't care. It just seems odd to be so sensitive to people with more experience sharing it with you, while complaining about all the work you had to do just to find what you know now (based on gut instinct?).
It's your money. I really don't care. You should talk to the Mr. Realstyles.
I dont want to get ripped off...
I need potency for medical reasons, I just spent 500$ on a vaporizer. I'm a medical patient and screwing with my medicine is like screwing with my family, I take quality to heart. And it's not easy dealing with all the peddlers out there. When we elected a government that is going to legalize it completly, I nearly cried. I hope that answes your question
Thanks a lot, I have to check out your light... Brb
We do this all the time here. The brands recommended to you are reliable, efficient. If efficiency isn't important, CMH rocks tall spaces (T5HO small) with less watts, more light than the typical hype-based LED lights.
The "cob" light your looking at says it pulls 200w from the wall, and says it covers 3x3 to 4x4. That is an average 16w/sq ft (for a 3.5x3.5 space).
Do you really believe that?
This is how MarsHydro users end up buying a light which they think they need 37w/sq ft (from the product page) and end up running 60w/sq ft.
What you sense as elitism is angst at these companies that want to take your money. I could give you a list of names and examples. Really, really scammy people running these places.
That 16w number should be enough for you to know this is just another over-hyped LED light (which gives LED a bad reputation). Seriously, ask him for a 180-day trial. AdvancedLED does it. If his light really produces at 16w/sq ft, he should be eager for you to prove us "elitists" wrong. Ask him. You won't have anything to lose.
The "cob" light your looking at says it pulls 200w from the wall, and says it covers 3x3 to 4x4. That is an average 16w/sq ft (for a 3.5x3.5 space).
Do you really believe that?
This is how MarsHydro users end up buying a light which they think they need 37w/sq ft (from the product page) and end up running 60w/sq ft.
What you sense as elitism is angst at these companies that want to take your money. I could give you a list of names and examples. Really, really scammy people running these places.
That 16w number should be enough for you to know this is just another over-hyped LED light (which gives LED a bad reputation). Seriously, ask him for a 180-day trial. AdvancedLED does it. If his light really produces at 16w/sq ft, he should be eager for you to prove us "elitists" wrong.
Ask him. You won't have anything to lose.
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Does the number change though if you dont count it with 4x4... Because I spoke with him and it is really clear that the goal for this lamp was really to give similar results as if it was an hps lamp pulling twice the watts, so 400w hps. And last time I checked most people agreed that 400hps was doable for 4x4 but much better suited for 3x3. So you would have to do 200w/9=22 but then again with leds practically all coverage areas are exagerated and if you look at the grow trial pictures you can see the ligts are covering something more 6 feet sq so wouldnt it be 200w/6=33w? To me the numbers all added up because it meant his light was really optimal for roughly 8 sq feet if counting 25w/sq feet. I have to check a lot of names that have been suggested, but arent those numbers correct though? Usually when they say 3x3 to 4x4 the larger one is for "supplemental light" and the shorte one is for "main light" and then ime you have to think a little smaller if you want something for flowering. So if they say 3x3 to 4x4 I read it as follows: 4x4 in veg, 3x3 in flowering, probably gets better results at 2x3. Exagerating coveage area is practically stardard industry practice because the lights dont necessarily have to be used to produce thc. I dont know what you thnk but honestly when I learned the ligt pulled 200w I thought that was MUCH better than all the companies who claim they cover 2x3 with less than 130w pulled. Now that would be crazy, it would mean 21w per sq feet. That is crazy, and pretty scammy. Although I've seen good comapanies advertise like this because they are competing with chinese knock offs... On the contrary, cobgrowlight dude doesnt BS me on that one and start saying the light is good for 16sq feet. Instead he simply assures me that althoughthe lit is not necessarily the most energy efficient for my grow space that the heat would be an issue. Jesus I sound like spam again. Anyways, just wanted to make sure were not trashing his stuff without justificationWe do this all the time here. The brands recommended to you are reliable, efficient. If efficiency isn't important, CMH rocks tall spaces (T5HO small) with less watts, more light than the typical hype-based LED lights.
The "cob" light your looking at says it pulls 200w from the wall, and covers 3x3 to 4x4. That is an average 16w/sq ft (for a 3.5x3.5 space).
Do you really believe that?
This is how MarsHydro users end up buying a light which they think they need 37w/sq ft (from the product page) and end up running 60w/sq ft.
What you sense as elitism is angst at these companies that want to take your money. I could give you a list of names and examples. Really, really scammy people running these places.
That 16w number should be enough for you to know this is just another over-hyped LED light (which gives LED a bad reputation). Seriously, ask him for a 180-day trial. AdvancedLED does it. If his light really produces at 16w/sq ft, he should be eager for you to prove us "elitists" wrong.
I asked why not more than 30 days and his answer kind of made sense. He says a medical cannabis company from canada took 10000$ worth of lights from him to grow crops for 9months only to return them after 9months claiming tey werent 100% satisfied with the light penetration, so he had to sell these lights at discount but that company grew 9monthd of crop with his lights for free... He said getting ripped off like that made him rethink his satisfaction guaranteed policy. Tbh I kind of agree with him. People are dicks, they'll take advantage of stuff like that if you let 'em.... No?We do this all the time here. The brands recommended to you are reliable, efficient. If efficiency isn't important, CMH rocks tall spaces (T5HO small) with less watts, more light than the typical hype-based LED lights.
The "cob" light your looking at says it pulls 200w from the wall, and says it covers 3x3 to 4x4. That is an average 16w/sq ft (for a 3.5x3.5 space).
Do you really believe that?
This is how MarsHydro users end up buying a light which they think they need 37w/sq ft (from the product page) and end up running 60w/sq ft.
What you sense as elitism is angst at these companies that want to take your money. I could give you a list of names and examples. Really, really scammy people running these places.
That 16w number should be enough for you to know this is just another over-hyped LED light (which gives LED a bad reputation). Seriously, ask him for a 180-day trial. AdvancedLED does it. If his light really produces at 16w/sq ft, he should be eager for you to prove us "elitists" wrong.
tripleD
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Well, what did you think??
1. I don't understand the question. It's just math. (So many watts consumed to light so many square feet.).
2. They all say that. That's why you're being cautioned.
Many of those dicks sell LED lights. Scammie McKenzie (HydroGrowLED) has a reputation of grassing out customers who complain about her lights. She ratioanalizd it similar to your guy (some story about being ripped off.).
People lie. It's not just the customers. And, when someone says "16w/sq ft" coverage for epi-whatever diodes (that other fixtures have to run at 50 to 90w/sq ft....
I was honestly turned off by the product and web site, that quality seems top notch tbh but i saw the multibars units at above 1000$ and I just decidd it wasnt for me, seems ideal for commercial growers though... How did you set this up... I mean, can you just tell me how much your light costs and how big it is in inches, cause all the stuff on is site isnt necessarily meant for people like me so I'm having a hard time knowing what I should look at
"The fixture covers about 9~16 sq ft or a 3×3 – 4×4 tent. Its optimal distance of 12″-36″ allows cultivators to create an evenly distributed “Purple Blanket” over any space."
I hope this isnt gona come accross the wrong way but I dont agree with you if you say that this company states to work at around 16w/sq feet. I don't beleive that they claim this if the above quote is where you get is from. Because with leds, in veg, you can basically take your light 36" from your plants according to 99% of the info out there, but in bloom usually, its 12". So it would make sense that they should say the light is ok for between 9sq feet to 16sq feet. Because in veg 16sq feet is ok and in bloom 9sq feet makes more sense. And if you want to account for expected "exagerations" you could say reduce that by 30% to get the best number, so really bloom at 12" for 6sq feet is pretty in line with the claim that 16sq feet is ok (for veg).
WHEN CANNABIS WILL BE FULLY LEGAL, they will say "this light is good for a 2x3 grow space if you are using it as the main light source for growing cannabis in its bloom phase" but while cannabis is not fully legal they are still going to say the light is good for between 3x3 to 4x4.
I mean IME, EVERY led supplier out there, to know the coverage for a main light in bloom, you have to take their best numbers and assume you'll need a little more if you are blooming cannabis.
What I mean is I'll bet you any good cmpany this board trusts would also claim that 200w "could" cover 16sq feet if you asked them... They're not just gona say "yeah... Unless you are using it for cannabis in its bloom phase"
tripleD
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Like several other people already suggested, I'm pretty sure now after reading your response that you are in fact a spammer.... Merry Christmas!!
I am a firm believer in this: until grow lights can legally be advertised as "cannabis grow lights" we will never get public compan
But if you helped with with useful info before I thank you and I also wish you merry xmas
Ok whatever i dont care...
But if you helped with with useful info before I thank you and I also wish you merry xmas
Btw are people accusing me of this because I'm a new poster? Because if that's true then I have to say if it weren't for my stress over buying the right lamp I probably would have never joined the forum, I'm kind of desperate for help to be honest
verticalgrow
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jpaq, before buying a light always check the CRI.
the 2 companies I mention in post #2 have over 80 CRI.
the 2 companies I mention in post #2 have over 80 CRI.
It's not my life's ambition to protect you from this light. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous the numbers are. That's the same way people buy MarsHydro and end up running 80w/sq ft. If you're ok with that "because everyone does it," that's fine.
FWIW: Area51 specs its lights accurately. 90w of light (not the gimmicky 180w, with 90w in fine print). Given the performance characteristics of the COB it uses, the stated 20x20" space is realistic.
We're not the enemy. Good luck. I'm glad this info is available for others to find via google searches.
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Smokenpassout
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Yes I flower with them all day. They veg great too.
The newer ones can be switched from veg to flower, and have uvb for potency.
dandyrandy
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Here is why I had to repair my 300w panels about every grow cycle. This has no heatsink in the middle. I won't mention the brand. I have others. 2 years after my DIY Vero 29 CPU cooler grow light zero failures and over 800g's or more each cycle.
