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pnwmystery

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Lord Kanti said:


Christian:
Noun.

A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.
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It's hilarious that you think you're correct yet so wrong. I actually am embarrassed for you. Go read the bible, child, and get back to me.
 
Padawanbater2

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Lord Kanti said:
Once again: cite Jesus Christ instructing his followers to kill on his behalf.
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Uhh.. that might be the argument you and FauxRoux are having, but I'm the other guy and I'm not constrained by it. My argument is that Christianity is just as dangerous as Islam - or indeed, any unverifiable claim that promotes a certain kind of moral structure or value system is. You ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan? You know those guys have a book too... Christianity is an immoral and perverse religion, the same as Islam.
 
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Padawanbater2 said:
Uhh.. that might be the argument you and FauxRoux are having, but I'm the other guy and I'm not constrained by it. My argument is that Christianity is just as dangerous as Islam - or indeed, any unverifiable claim that promotes a certain kind of moral structure or value system is. You ever heard of the Ku Klux Klan? You know those guys have a book too... Christianity is an immoral and perverse religion, the same as Islam.
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No im pretty sure you and I are on the same page. I just like to rub the noses of bible thumpers in the circular argument that is the bible.
 
Padawanbater2

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FauxRoux said:
No im pretty sure you and I are on the same page. I just like to rub the noses of bible thumpers in the circular argument that is the bible.
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I'm not sure how the argument that Jesus said this and Mohammad said that makes any difference to the fact that both Christians and Muslims have killed and continue to kill in both names, Jesus and Mohammad, as you pointed out earlier. Now the goalposts will be moved to "Well, those are just crazy people, not real Christians.. Real Christians wouldn't do that...". No way, real Christians wouldn't keep slaves.. Real Christians wouldn't subjugate an entire group of people.. Real Christians hate the sin, not the sinner.. And all the other logical fallacies we've heard a million times before.. Like you said, it's all semantics.

And the reality remains, religious people - Christian and Muslim - rationalize their actions by what they believe and innocent people die every day because of it
 
Flaming Pie

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Ju
Padawanbater2 said:
I'm not sure how the argument that Jesus said this and Mohammad said that makes any difference to the fact that both Christians and Muslims have killed and continue to kill in both names, Jesus and Mohammad, as you pointed out earlier. Now the goalposts will be moved to "Well, those are just crazy people, not real Christians.. Real Christians wouldn't do that...". No way, real Christians wouldn't keep slaves.. Real Christians wouldn't subjugate an entire group of people.. Real Christians hate the sin, not the sinner.. And all the other logical fallacies we've heard a million times before.. Like you said, it's all semantics.

And the reality remains, religious people - Christian and Muslim - rationalize their actions by what they believe and innocent people die every day because of it
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It's the truth. People committing horrendous acts are not real christians.

People who are Christians are those who follow the teachings of Jesus christ. Not deuteronomy.
 
Flaming Pie

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Any FYI, revelations is a foretelling and is not part of the teachings of jesus.

When you are comparing religions, it is helpful to know about the religions.
 
Padawanbater2

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Flaming Pie said:
Ju

It's the truth. People committing horrendous acts are not real christians.

People who are Christians are those who follow the teachings of Jesus christ. Not deuteronomy.
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Yeah yeah, just like I said you would say before...

Christian psycho murders innocent people - says he's a Christian and/or was influenced by Christianity - other self-proclaimed Christians, like you, say he's not a true Christian..

Muslim psycho murders innocent people - says he's a Muslim and/or was influenced by Islam - self-proclaimed Christians, like you, blame Islam..

Now isn't that interesting...

Here's the reality. You can have it one way or the other, not both. Either we blame Christianity & Islam or we blame the individual psycho Christian or Muslim. You don't get to blame the individual psycho for Christianity but then all of Islam when a Muslim does the exact same thing.

See how that works?
 
Flaming Pie

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Padawanbater2 said:
FYI, the bible is made up fairy tale bullshit with no basis in reality
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The two religions are different. Whether or not you believe in any of them is irrelevant.

To understand Islam you have to understand the religion of islam. To compare Islam to Christianity you have to understand BOTH religions.

So it is ridiculous to blast people for providing information on the religions you are currently debating.

Which is what many in here are doing to Katie and what you are now doing to me.

Again, you don't have to believe anything to discuss religion and the teachings of that religion.

Noone is trying to convert anyone here, so chill out.
 
Padawanbater2

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Flaming Pie said:
The two religions are different. Whether or not you believe in any of them is irrelevant.

To understand Islam you have to understand the religion of islam. To compare Islam to Christianity you have to understand BOTH religions.

So it is ridiculous to blast people for providing information on the religions you are currently debating.

Which is what many in here are doing to Katie and what you are now doing to me.

Again, you don't have to believe anything to discuss religion and the teachings of that religion.

Noone is trying to convert anyone here, so chill out.
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Christianity and Islam both promote violence..

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." -Matthew 10:34

"Strike terror into God's enemies, and your enemies" -Quran 8:60

..and they're both used to justify pretty horrible things (slavery, racism/sexism, discrimination, murder, etc.)

Both have been influential to mass murderers and terrorists all throughout human history

Both are unverifiable by nature

Both - in at least some point during history - have sentenced apostates to death

It would seem they have more in common than you might think...
 
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