You're totally right, and that's why I explained the science of the only reason to take the lower leaves in a certain style grow. If they are left on, the plant will kill them off fast and there will be a mess of dead leaves in the plant canopy and all over the floor. Which is really bad.
That's my point right there
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If one's lower leaves (or any leaves for that matter) are dying, that's operator error. It's either a result of moisture stress or improper plant nutrition.
That's can be true, but the real cause, in a thick canopy, is lack of light. Lack of light causes moisture (much cooler below a thick canopy). Raises rh. Leaves getting little to no light that are blocked either by its own leaves, or its neighbors, become non working leaves, but feeding leaves, not contributing to carb production, but using carbs. The plant then says it does not need those leaves, the slowly fade in color and drop. You can tell this is happening because the lower leaves that are not in the middle of the canopy, but are on the outer perimeter getting some light (but still not enough light) do not do this as fast.
what have you said about me that's true? this ought to be good.You have it backwards buddy, as I said before I rarely post outside of the grow journal thread. You on the other hand have that issue. And that's OK, (insert meme), it's easy to see who's nuts you hang on, me on the other hand, I'm a free thinker. It's funny to me that everything I've said about you is true and the only thing you say about me (that's just dumb) is I need to be needed on here.. By posting in the journal section.. To keep logs of my gear.. So I have a time line of what's going on with the garden. Yup. Definitely looking for approvalI know some of the people in real life I talk to on here by the way. So I'll ask them next time if I have an ego problem.
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None of it pertains to "shade leaves", it pertains to a plants own leaves shading itself or its neighbors leaves shading other plants leaves, causing low light conditions, in thick canopies. When this happens, it also effects N, MG and P uptake. The lower leaves on your plant should have been taken off (even said by Ed Rosenthal fwiw, but I prefer Harvard studies) because they are sinks and using energy rather than making it.
Hey alpha can you start a conversation with me please I have a question or two if you don't mind. I can't start one with you
I think I see why the lower parts of your plants are '90% shaded'. I just peeked at your journal and don't see any reflective surfaces around your growing area. Where is the mylar, white paint, or panda film?
Sorry man, my messaging has been disabled but you can ask you're question in my journal if you'd like
That's true, I don't have any reflective surfaces except for my flood tray, the flood tray plants are about 28" tall or so, but my other plants will be about 5' from the floor as I flower them at about 20" tall. There's just absolutely no way to get light down through the canopy, I've tried everything, even in grow tents when I'd grow bigger plants, it just gets so thick (depending how I train the plants) that light will not penetrate. I've shined a flood light down through to see what concentrated light would do, but it's just so diffused. Since the plants are 4' (not including the buckets) and the lights are 20-24" above the canopy, that's 6' light has to travel. I've been wanting to try DE bulbs as I mentioned, and I know that would help a bit, but it definitely won't fix the problem in that style grow.I think I see why the lower parts of your plants are '90% shaded'. I just peeked at your journal and don't see any reflective surfaces around your growing area. Where is the mylar, white paint, or panda film?
The pic below is from a while back so I don't know how far they were into flower, but right around that time I'll pull a few lower leaves to increase airflow and guard against pests. But even if I don't yank them, I've hung a reflective surface and use reflectors with a lot of penetrating power so those leaves do get a measurable amount of light and stay healthy until the end. My area there at the canopy is about a meter wide and 2 feet deep and I can grow golf balls down low if I chose to keep those bud sites intact. I don't like to do that though for reasons previously mentioned.
Point is, I think you could make improvements to your growing areas which may make you rethink your shade/shaded leaves information.
