hazemaster
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Out of 20 6ft plants one is female. I just dont understand how the odds could be that slim?!?! Does stress on the plan turn them hermi or male? Im very upset! 
my luck sucks
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BackDoorMan
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damn man.. I feel for you..
TodayIsAGreenday
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yes it does, and damn dude that really sucks, i know the feeling
hazemaster
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can you explain in better word what your talkin about when you said "males=1/3'rd the energy to grow" thanks alotyea.....to much stress and certain chemicals will make them male.....males=1/3'rd the energy to grow.....if it cant support being female, it wont be......
now the challenge to face: making the one female 20x its current size
South Texas
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Yes, yes & yes..... I fully understand your disheartening feelings. If growing weed was as easy as growing beans or corn, I would not be addicted. To me, it's like golf. Originally, I just thought that you just hit the fucking ball.... Oh, so wrong. I once told somebody that growing weed was complicated. They laughed. Anybody can throw seeds on the ground and yes, they will grow, in part. But when you want the best of the best, and pay $50 to $250 for a few seeds, the whole scope changes. And it can get as complicated as you choose. Don't give up. The key to this site is to learn from other's mistakes, so you won't make the same mistakes. The reasons we give advice is because we don't want others to undergo the same mistakes we made, and feel like a jerk.
The bad news is, somewhere along the line, you fucked up. If this is the only growing fuck-up You'll ever do, then you will be King of us all. The good news is, a whole mass of wonderful people has freely taken the time to assist you in the growing experience. And better yet, they are world wide, all in a common goal. We want you to feel the excitement that we have experienced in taking a single seed, and mothering it to something to behold. The feeling is like near walking on air! With that elation, you'll want to tell someone. That's what this is about, sharing without risk of being busted. And the common folk will never understand the passion for a baby, or a clone, etc. But we do.
Your mission Jim, should you accept the mission, is at a later date, teach us something. 80% of any passion is the desire to learn more.
Now, the issue. A lot of wonderful people is going to jump in & give you perfect advice, so be ready, and thank them for such.
Here is my theory. I can read & file away 100's of articles of what & what not to do. Example, I can read law cases by the hundreds, and know the exact law pertaining to a certain subject. Let's take murder, for instance. Law said don't kill a SOB. OK, Germ seeds a certain way. That's the rule. Unless the murder was accident, unless you chose to use moist potting soil, soak the seeds, soak in a nute solution, use temp from 50 to 80 degrees, pure perlite, container depth & moisture level. Shit gets complicated, quick & fast, like law on murder. "But Yo' Honor, I didn't say I shot him in self defense, what I's be saying is I shot him as he was going over de fence!"
Not to many years ago, our only growing education was from fucking up, or maybe advice from a local. With the info now available, like law, it's way too much info. Do or try this or that.
My entire point is, in law, to understand the concept where all the complications lie. In the case of growing, if we took time to fully understood the basic, logical concept of plants interaction with Mother Nature. Replace 'what should I do' to what are the rules that a certain plant demands. For 1000's of years, this plant has done well, all alone. This plant survived only when Mother Natured supplied the rule of mandated demands. I seriously can't see too much difference between human demands & plant demands. At the infant stage, we require leg room & nourishment. To deny such freedom causes threat to the desire to bear fruit & prosper. When that threat of denial to multiply naturally, Mother Nature/ Evolution goes into Plan B; save the species. And that's what has happened. The survival rate of the plant was threatened, and it tried to save itself by spitting out babies/seeds. No more, no less.
Yes, stress was the culprit, in some form or fashion. It only takes one Rooster to make seeds for 20 Chickens. The stupid ass seeds know this, also. That's why, when seeds are treated properly, 80% will be females.
Unfortunately, I am dumber than dirt. But I'm working on it, as I hope you will too.
The bad news is, somewhere along the line, you fucked up. If this is the only growing fuck-up You'll ever do, then you will be King of us all. The good news is, a whole mass of wonderful people has freely taken the time to assist you in the growing experience. And better yet, they are world wide, all in a common goal. We want you to feel the excitement that we have experienced in taking a single seed, and mothering it to something to behold. The feeling is like near walking on air! With that elation, you'll want to tell someone. That's what this is about, sharing without risk of being busted. And the common folk will never understand the passion for a baby, or a clone, etc. But we do.
Your mission Jim, should you accept the mission, is at a later date, teach us something. 80% of any passion is the desire to learn more.
Now, the issue. A lot of wonderful people is going to jump in & give you perfect advice, so be ready, and thank them for such.
Here is my theory. I can read & file away 100's of articles of what & what not to do. Example, I can read law cases by the hundreds, and know the exact law pertaining to a certain subject. Let's take murder, for instance. Law said don't kill a SOB. OK, Germ seeds a certain way. That's the rule. Unless the murder was accident, unless you chose to use moist potting soil, soak the seeds, soak in a nute solution, use temp from 50 to 80 degrees, pure perlite, container depth & moisture level. Shit gets complicated, quick & fast, like law on murder. "But Yo' Honor, I didn't say I shot him in self defense, what I's be saying is I shot him as he was going over de fence!"
Not to many years ago, our only growing education was from fucking up, or maybe advice from a local. With the info now available, like law, it's way too much info. Do or try this or that.
My entire point is, in law, to understand the concept where all the complications lie. In the case of growing, if we took time to fully understood the basic, logical concept of plants interaction with Mother Nature. Replace 'what should I do' to what are the rules that a certain plant demands. For 1000's of years, this plant has done well, all alone. This plant survived only when Mother Natured supplied the rule of mandated demands. I seriously can't see too much difference between human demands & plant demands. At the infant stage, we require leg room & nourishment. To deny such freedom causes threat to the desire to bear fruit & prosper. When that threat of denial to multiply naturally, Mother Nature/ Evolution goes into Plan B; save the species. And that's what has happened. The survival rate of the plant was threatened, and it tried to save itself by spitting out babies/seeds. No more, no less.
Yes, stress was the culprit, in some form or fashion. It only takes one Rooster to make seeds for 20 Chickens. The stupid ass seeds know this, also. That's why, when seeds are treated properly, 80% will be females.
Unfortunately, I am dumber than dirt. But I'm working on it, as I hope you will too.
tommyfergie1
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with 19 6ft males you could make a fuck load of hash my friend to ease the pain 
.. I feel for you though man .
.. I feel for you though man .
Florida Girl
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Out of 20 6ft plants one is female. I just dont understand how the odds could be that slim?!?! Does stress on the plan turn them hermi or male? Im very upset!
All you need is one female .... clone her and grow the clones inside
Remember... it could always be worse... they could have ALL been male
mexiblunt
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Nice post South texas your %100 correct. Now lets say he didn't pay anything for his seeds rather found them all in one 1/8 bag of bud. Would it not be correct to assume the 80% female rate to drop some? hermies/males.
That's the reason I asked where the seeds came from? Just curious?
That's the reason I asked where the seeds came from? Just curious?
South Texas
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No, seriously don't think it matters, unless some Sage had pulled out the female seeds ahead of time. Rule still applies, them fucking seeds has got 20,000 years of evolution on us, and the basic rule to survival still remains the same. Food for thought, where did all the high dollar seeds come from... what we call bag seed. They are the givers of the want to, to survive. Hybrid tomatoes may look wonderful, but they taste like shit..........caught up in a material kind of world. land race is the cornerstone. the best of the best in surviving. Just my opinion.
hazemaster
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the seeds came from bagseed. I did treat these things like they were my daughter, so it had to been from somthing else?
hazemaster
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What if i grow the males full out? will it produce any buds at all?
hazemaster
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.......anyone?
TodayIsAGreenday
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male = no buds whatsoever
jpremo
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Ummmm..... He just said he had lots of males.... A bit overkill dont you think?
TonyBalogna01
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No and if anyones growing a breeze away they could be contaminated by your wind born pollen. Are they all bagseed from the same bag or a collective medley from various sources. If the latter is the case and you don't mind scrapping a season for the sake of breeding then pick nice male to cross with your female or better yet pick a few isolated branches and be clean about it and collect pollen to distribute over certain areas(mark them with ribbon) . You will however need to move your males just before they bust their pollen sacks. You will have to watch them closely. Bag each individual male and mark them then move them. The pollen sacks will bust in the bag in a day or so if you time it right. Collect some on a clean fine watercolor brush and be quick about it or bag the brush pollen and all in the fridge.(o.k. for a day or so) Then get to your female and be brother nature! Remember this option is only a good or desireable one if your seeds are of different strain or special. If it's some commercial then don't waste your time. Unless your crossing commercial with dankness and then you might make up something exciting! Or not. That's the passion of breeding! How do you think O.G. Kush was born? What is the parentage there? Who knows? Have fun. Hope all works out well! Got any ideas on your strains?
whoreable
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Just clone your female, make a shitload of clones. Before the clones are ready you will have the males putting out pollen.
Collect that pollen from the most viable males you like, then kill them fast.
A few months go by and your clones are now ready, take your medium viable clones and pollenate them with the old male pollen you have in a zip-lock bag.
This will give you some seeds to carry on the legacy of your new Breed. and you can have buds without seed from the other Clones you choose to not pollinate.
Collect that pollen from the most viable males you like, then kill them fast.
A few months go by and your clones are now ready, take your medium viable clones and pollenate them with the old male pollen you have in a zip-lock bag.
This will give you some seeds to carry on the legacy of your new Breed. and you can have buds without seed from the other Clones you choose to not pollinate.
Dobbiegirl
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I have grown a while and get about 95% female plants. Of course I did resurch and this is what I have been doing it. I soak seeds in water with a half a birth contol pill, plant in containers with dirt but containers myst be deep at least 6 inches >>I use plastic water bottles. I keep them on dry side and cool temps. I use blue grow lights on seedlings . I harden off putting them outside in day time and in at night , plant June first some in deep planters ( I do this so I can force some early and bring them in and put them in the dark for 12 hours) the rest I plant straight into the ground in my garden as I live in Canada >>The home of who cares if you grow weed! I use a pop up thing for camping and cover the rest in August as we have short growing season. My planter plants are redy to harvest now. The garden ones are in flower and are between 8 and 12 feet tall. Out of 30 seeds I had 4 male plants. They are so robust I get heaps of bud off just one planter plant and I give away weed to friends who help me trim . No big deal as I have so much harvest, I trined one so far that was a planter plant and forced the firt of July, I didn't weight it but have 5 big jars curing from one plant. I feed oyygen Plus fish fert , eptson salts and a general flowering fert >> use ordinary water and rain water that falls.
Try again sorry about the boys >>> a good harvest and you'll forget about it
Try again sorry about the boys >>> a good harvest and you'll forget about it
Florida Girl
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No fucking way
does this really work???? How did you come up with this method??? My brain is swirling trying to figure out how or if the pill helps.This is NOT a sarcastic post either..... I mean this with all sincerity... I'm honestly curious about this... in fact maybe it should be a thread all on it's own. Perhaps you've cracked the mystery of how to get girls.
