Ben Carson..You are no Barack Obama

bearkat42

Well-Known Member
This fucking guy just won't quit.

“Lord,” I whispered, “You have to take this temper from me. If You don’t, I’ll never be free from it. I’ll end up doing a lot worse than trying to stab one of my best friends.”

Already heavy into psychology (I had been reading Psychology Today for a year), I knew that temper was a personality trait.

Carson writes that he was in ninth grade at the time of the attempted stabbing, and he’s subsequently pinpointed his age at 14 years old. Given Carson’s birth year of 1951, that would put the knifing in either 1965 or 1966. Psychology Today published its very first issue in May 1967.
 
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pnwmystery

Well-Known Member
Ben Carson is undoubtedly being subjected to some intense scrutiny from the objective media. Good show!


A mere 7 percent of journalists identify as Republicans...http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/8/republicans-media-bias-claims-boosted-by-scarcity-/

Nothing to see here, no bias in play, carry on.

West Point provides appointments which are fully paid for, contingent upon the recipient providing military service.

Carson was accepted at Yale...'nuff said.

Carson has released his academic records...Obama has not!
Who is hiding what?

As well as the fact that Obama lied with great unabandoned zeal in his quest for the oval office...The media had no problems with his numerous, glaring, prevarications.
Double standard...never happen......hahahah
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Obama Made At Least 9 False Claims About His Bio That The Media Ignored
1. “Obama’s Staff Corrects WWII Story” (New York Times)
In response to a question at a Memorial Day appearance in New Mexico, Mr. Obama said an uncle helped liberate the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz during World War II. The problem? That story didn’t track with history, considering Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet forces.

2. Selma Birth Connection (Independent Journal)
“[W]hen the president spoke before an audience in Selma back in 2007, Obama credited the civil rights march as the inspiration for his conception. The only problem with that, as conservative punditMichelle Malkin points out, is that the president was already three years old when the march occurred in 1965.”

3. “Obama Overstates Kennedys’ Role in Helping His Father” (Washington Post)
Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his “very existence” to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother.

The Camelot connection has become part of the mythology surrounding Obama’s bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. […]

It is a touching story — but the key details are either untrue or grossly oversimplified.

4. “Tale of British brutality toward Barack Obama’s grandfather probably untrue, book claims” (The Telegraph)
It is a harrowing tale of torture in a colonial prison in Kenya that is said to explain the President’s coolness towards Britain and even his removal of Winston Churchill’s bust from the Oval Office.

David Maraniss, the author of Mr Obama’s most comprehensive biography so far, said five associates of Hussein Onyango Obama doubt he was even jailed. One told him: “People make up stories”. […]

… Maraniss claims that while “incidents of that sort certainly happened”, it “seems unlikely” that Mr Obama’s grandfather was one such victim. “Five people who had close connections to Hussein Onyango said they doubted the story or were certain it did not happen,” he wrote in Barack Obama – The Making of the Man.

5. The heroic story of Obama’s step-grandfather dying while fighting the Dutch is untrue (New York Times)
Mr. Maraniss attributes some of the differences to the kind of family lore that is often exaggerated. He notes that the story about the death of Mr. Obama’s step-grandfather — allegedly killed while fighting Dutch troops in Indonesia — was “a concocted myth in almost all respects.” Mr. Maraniss writes that he died trying to hang drapes.

6. “Obama Lied About Mother’s Health Insurance Problem” (Commentary)

During the 2008 campaign and throughout the subsequent debate over his health care legislation, President Obama used his mother’s experience as a cancer patient fighting to get coverage to pay for treatment for what her insurer said was a pre-existing condition as an emotional argument to sway skeptics. However, a new book by New York Times reporter Janny Scott has revealed this story appears to be a fabrication.

The Times reports today (in a story buried on page 14 rather than on the front page) that during the course of researching her book, A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mother, Scott uncovered correspondence showing “the 1995 dispute concerned a Cigna disability insurance policy and that her actual health insurer had apparently reimbursed most of her medical expenses without argument.” In response to inquiries, “a White House spokesman chose not to dispute either Ms. Scott’s account or Mr. Obama’s memory, while arguing that Mr. Obama’s broader point remained salient.”

7. Obama makes white Occidental College classmate “Regina” into African-American aka “composite girlfriend” (Washington Times)

“During an interview in the Oval Office, Obama acknowledged that, while Genevieve was his New York girlfriend, the description in his memoir was a ‘compression’ of girlfriends, including one who followed Genevieve [Cook] when he lived in Chicago,” Mr. Maraniss wrote in the new biography.

“In ‘Dreams from My Father,’ Obama chose to emphasize a racial chasm that unavoidably separated him from the woman he described as his New York girlfriend,” wrote the author, who interviewed the woman. “None of this happened with Genevieve. She remembered going to the theater only once with Barack, and it was not to see a work by a black playwright.”

Mr. Maraniss said the president acknowledged this scene did not happen with Ms. Cook.

8. President Obama’s “improbable love” narrative (Jack Cashill)

In all the talk about David Maraniss’ new book, “Barack Obama: The Story,” the chattering classes seem to have overlooked the most significant of Maraniss’ revelations, namely that the story on which Obama based his 2008 candidacy is “received myth, not the truth.”

“My parents shared not only an improbable love,” said Obama famously in his 2004 Democratic Convention keynote, “they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation.” This concept of multicultural romance shaped his persona and his campaigns. […]

As Maraniss concedes, these two young people shared very close to nothing. “In the college life of Barack Obama in 1961 and 1962,” writes Maraniss, “as recounted by his friends and acquaintances in Honolulu, there was no Ann; there was no baby.”

Although Maraniss talked to many of Obama Sr.’s friends, none of the credible ones ever so much as saw him with Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham.

9. Obama and his mother not “abandoned” by father in 1963 (Buzzfeed)


It’s in that context that Maraniss corrects a central element of Obama’s own biography, debunking a story that Obama’s mother may well have invented: That she and her son were abandoned in Hawaii in 1963.“It was his mother who left Hawaii first, a year earlier than his father,” Maraniss writes, confirming a story that had first surfaced in the conservative blogosphere. ........continued here:​
http://www.youngcons.com/obama-made-at-least-9-false-claims-about-his-bio-that-the-media-ignored/
I knew this was going to happen so this is hilarious. As soon as someone goes "X Y and Z Republican candidate has smudged the truth," I just knew someone from the right was going to go "OBama lied Obama lied Obama lied!" Half of the reason why I brought it up in the first place; I kind of wanted to see who'd take the bait.

Gotcha Wavels. :D
 

pnwmystery

Well-Known Member
1) Obama is not seeking public office, he's already gone through this. 2012 GOP called, they want their conspiracy theories back. We should be scrutinising who is currently running for the Office of President, not who has been because then we can just get into all sorts of lovely things as going back and back and back to George Washington had false teeth! His teeth were wood! That's why he never smiled! #conspiracysolved :roll:

2) Presidential candidates are not required to release their academic records. Nor are Obama's academic records "sealed." Sealed records indicate a court order, which there never was.

3) For any of Obama's schools to release his academic records would be a violation of Federal law - go look up the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974 (if you hold a college degree and up you should really know about this because in order to apply they talk about this usually).

4) Where were you during 2008 and 2012? The media never gave Obama this amount of scrutiny? Are you insane, or are you doing what Ben Carson did and selectively remembering things. (Don't even answer that, it's the latter, and anyone who watched the 2008 and 2012 election cycle would know this. Instead, you're going to sit there and do the Conservative thing and cry about liberal media. Someone call a Waaaaambulance.)

5) I'm glad you used youngcons as your source for this, so let's get to it.

A) You may want to read the entire article. "“Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II – especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald,” Mr. Burton said in a statement. “Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically.”" So, this was a comment off the top of his head. It wasn't a) in a PUBLISHED book b) wasn't PLANNED c) His staff straight up corrected the mistake rather than Ben Carson trying to say it's a "media hit job" and trying to wiggle around saying how he's actually correct when he was't. So already, Obama and his staff already show a shit ton more decency than the Ben Carson campaign, and also look incredibly more credible.

B & C) The Selma comment is based off an over-literal interpretation of his speech at Selma, AL. President Obama was praising the civil rights achievements (like the Selma marches) as having helped pave the way for his campaign to become the first black president (which is true). This really weird interpretation stems from an Editorial from The Conservative Voice where a guy writes, "Obama went on to tell his audience that the Kennedys, Jack and Bobby, decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barrack Obama, Sr., to America." The chronology doesn't match, but President Obama never in his speech referred to the Kennedy's, or JFK as the President, and it is true that in 1959 Senator John F. Kennedy set up a scholarship fund to bring Kenyans to the United States to go to college. You could say that he was pandering a little bit to the crowd (but what politician doesn't?) but if you had ever read or listened to the entire speech (which I have) you'd figure out he was talking about the progress of the Civil Rights movement and how it's empowered people both in the US and abroad, which is once more correct because the boycott buses were in 1955-1956. Boom.

D) About the grandfather thing. "Mr Onyango's third wife, Sarah, has claimed that her late husband had his testicles crushed and his nails and buttocks pierced as jailers at Kamiti Prison outside Nairobi sought information on the rebels.

Mrs Onyango, who is now 90, said Mr Onyango still bore scars from his treatment when he died in 1979..."

However, what the difference here between the outright claims Ben Carson made and the claim that could actually most likely not be true that Barack Obama made is that the claim was not about himself. Barack Obama never said it happened to him, he was relating a story told to him by his grandfather and/or family. These two instances are not the same - if you think they are, you really need to go and reevaluate your critical thinking skills.

E) I haven't seen Maraniss' citation for this beyond what he wrote in his book saying that the obituary for President Obama's step grandfather was too "simple" for him to have been killed by the Dutch in the 1940s. Moreover what the youngcon article glosses over is that Maraniss does not cite this and also says that Barack's step grandfather died of a heart attack. So, the article itself is also skewing things to present a certain narrative which is not presented by Maraniss himself. Go read the book. Moreover this is a story related to him most likely by a family member and not a personal experience that he himself went through. Haven't you ever found out that a family member embellished the truth? What about the thousands of Americans who say they're related to some English/European nobility whereas in reality there's no connection.

F) The health insurance one is correct, however it also exposes another terrible truth which is that President Obama's mother fought with the insurance company over disability payment which they denied (when they should not have done so).

G) All you need to know about the Genevie thing is that once more President Obama owned up to it, "During an interview in the Oval Office, Obama acknowledged that..." and also if you've ever read his book you'd know that he states quite clearly in the beginning that he's condensed things, changed names and a few other things. Once again, he's not sitting there going "No I never said that! It's a media hit job! Boo hoo hooo hoo." Really, critical thinking goes a long way.

H) If you don't think that during the 1950s a white woman marrying a black man from Africa in America was somewhat improbable you've led an incredibly sheltered life and have no concept of history and I feel very sorry for you.

I) You really need to read Maraniss' book, because he posits this, and does not flat out state it happened.

TL;DR: You need to read things, verify your sources, and not post from a website like youngcon which has an obvious slant to it. If you get to sit there and dismiss a completely valid news source like Washington Post, then you're pretty much posting a piece of Fan Fic by citing youngcon. Once again, you don't even need to read past the first few pages in President Obama's book to see that he openly admits that he's changed a few things. It's right there, literally, right there. What he hasn't done is try to smudge and twist trying to get out of being caught in a lie, he'll openly clarify or state that he was wrong.
 

pnwmystery

Well-Known Member
Not sure but maybe the answer can be found at prageru.com
PragerU is not a valid source, at all. Anyone with a brain knows this. It's an entertainment website -- it even says so itself that it tries to present subjects in an entertaining manner. Or you know you can keep citing it because it's pretty hilarious to see you try and scramble to justify how it is somehow a valid "university" or a "valid source," and anyone who has some intellect will just laugh at the source.
 

Not GOP

Well-Known Member
What in the hell does this have to do with Carson??
Wow! you are so desperate to destroy the man.

“We as Black people are never going to be successful, not because of you white people, but because of other Black people. When you are Black, you have to deal with so much crap in your life from other Black people"-Charles Barkley
 

bearkat42

Well-Known Member
Wow! you are so desperate to destroy the man.

“We as Black people are never going to be successful, not because of you white people, but because of other Black people. When you are Black, you have to deal with so much crap in your life from other Black people"-Charles Barkley
Yeah, I get ALL of my advice from Charles Barkley. C'mon man, you're not even trying anymore. :wall:
 

bravedave

Well-Known Member
PragerU is not a valid source, at all. Anyone with a brain knows this. It's an entertainment website -- it even says so itself that it tries to present subjects in an entertaining manner. Or you know you can keep citing it because it's pretty hilarious to see you try and scramble to justify how it is somehow a valid "university" or a "valid source," and anyone who has some intellect will just laugh at the source.
Like Uncle Puke, you obviously know very little about:

Prageru.com

Like other frauds who choose ignorance over a enlightenment you also choose misrepresentation over truly finding out about that which you falsely paint.

Now you may have saved your fellow leftists some time they would have spent educating themselves (even if its learning how and why the enemy thinks), but those of us who know you are spewing a false portrayal now wonder about all your portrayals.
 

Elwood Diggler

Well-Known Member
Ben Carson is undoubtedly being subjected to some intense scrutiny from the objective media. Good show!


A mere 7 percent of journalists identify as Republicans...http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/8/republicans-media-bias-claims-boosted-by-scarcity-/

Nothing to see here, no bias in play, carry on.

West Point provides appointments which are fully paid for, contingent upon the recipient providing military service.

Carson was accepted at Yale...'nuff said.

Carson has released his academic records...Obama has not!
Who is hiding what?

As well as the fact that Obama lied with great unabandoned zeal in his quest for the oval office...The media had no problems with his numerous, glaring, prevarications.
Double standard...never happen......hahahah
.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
Obama Made At Least 9 False Claims About His Bio That The Media Ignored
1. “Obama’s Staff Corrects WWII Story” (New York Times)
In response to a question at a Memorial Day appearance in New Mexico, Mr. Obama said an uncle helped liberate the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz during World War II. The problem? That story didn’t track with history, considering Auschwitz was liberated by Soviet forces.

2. Selma Birth Connection (Independent Journal)
“[W]hen the president spoke before an audience in Selma back in 2007, Obama credited the civil rights march as the inspiration for his conception. The only problem with that, as conservative punditMichelle Malkin points out, is that the president was already three years old when the march occurred in 1965.”

3. “Obama Overstates Kennedys’ Role in Helping His Father” (Washington Post)
Addressing civil rights activists in Selma, Ala., a year ago, Sen. Barack Obama traced his “very existence” to the generosity of the Kennedy family, which he said paid for his Kenyan father to travel to America on a student scholarship and thus meet his Kansan mother.

The Camelot connection has become part of the mythology surrounding Obama’s bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. […]

It is a touching story — but the key details are either untrue or grossly oversimplified.

4. “Tale of British brutality toward Barack Obama’s grandfather probably untrue, book claims” (The Telegraph)
It is a harrowing tale of torture in a colonial prison in Kenya that is said to explain the President’s coolness towards Britain and even his removal of Winston Churchill’s bust from the Oval Office.

David Maraniss, the author of Mr Obama’s most comprehensive biography so far, said five associates of Hussein Onyango Obama doubt he was even jailed. One told him: “People make up stories”. […]

… Maraniss claims that while “incidents of that sort certainly happened”, it “seems unlikely” that Mr Obama’s grandfather was one such victim. “Five people who had close connections to Hussein Onyango said they doubted the story or were certain it did not happen,” he wrote in Barack Obama – The Making of the Man.

5. The heroic story of Obama’s step-grandfather dying while fighting the Dutch is untrue (New York Times)
Mr. Maraniss attributes some of the differences to the kind of family lore that is often exaggerated. He notes that the story about the death of Mr. Obama’s step-grandfather — allegedly killed while fighting Dutch troops in Indonesia — was “a concocted myth in almost all respects.” Mr. Maraniss writes that he died trying to hang drapes.

6. “Obama Lied About Mother’s Health Insurance Problem” (Commentary)

During the 2008 campaign and throughout the subsequent debate over his health care legislation, President Obama used his mother’s experience as a cancer patient fighting to get coverage to pay for treatment for what her insurer said was a pre-existing condition as an emotional argument to sway skeptics. However, a new book by New York Times reporter Janny Scott has revealed this story appears to be a fabrication.

The Times reports today (in a story buried on page 14 rather than on the front page) that during the course of researching her book, A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mother, Scott uncovered correspondence showing “the 1995 dispute concerned a Cigna disability insurance policy and that her actual health insurer had apparently reimbursed most of her medical expenses without argument.” In response to inquiries, “a White House spokesman chose not to dispute either Ms. Scott’s account or Mr. Obama’s memory, while arguing that Mr. Obama’s broader point remained salient.”

7. Obama makes white Occidental College classmate “Regina” into African-American aka “composite girlfriend” (Washington Times)

“During an interview in the Oval Office, Obama acknowledged that, while Genevieve was his New York girlfriend, the description in his memoir was a ‘compression’ of girlfriends, including one who followed Genevieve [Cook] when he lived in Chicago,” Mr. Maraniss wrote in the new biography.

“In ‘Dreams from My Father,’ Obama chose to emphasize a racial chasm that unavoidably separated him from the woman he described as his New York girlfriend,” wrote the author, who interviewed the woman. “None of this happened with Genevieve. She remembered going to the theater only once with Barack, and it was not to see a work by a black playwright.”

Mr. Maraniss said the president acknowledged this scene did not happen with Ms. Cook.

8. President Obama’s “improbable love” narrative (Jack Cashill)

In all the talk about David Maraniss’ new book, “Barack Obama: The Story,” the chattering classes seem to have overlooked the most significant of Maraniss’ revelations, namely that the story on which Obama based his 2008 candidacy is “received myth, not the truth.”

“My parents shared not only an improbable love,” said Obama famously in his 2004 Democratic Convention keynote, “they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation.” This concept of multicultural romance shaped his persona and his campaigns. […]

As Maraniss concedes, these two young people shared very close to nothing. “In the college life of Barack Obama in 1961 and 1962,” writes Maraniss, “as recounted by his friends and acquaintances in Honolulu, there was no Ann; there was no baby.”

Although Maraniss talked to many of Obama Sr.’s friends, none of the credible ones ever so much as saw him with Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham.

9. Obama and his mother not “abandoned” by father in 1963 (Buzzfeed)


It’s in that context that Maraniss corrects a central element of Obama’s own biography, debunking a story that Obama’s mother may well have invented: That she and her son were abandoned in Hawaii in 1963.“It was his mother who left Hawaii first, a year earlier than his father,” Maraniss writes, confirming a story that had first surfaced in the conservative blogosphere. ........continued here:​
http://www.youngcons.com/obama-made-at-least-9-false-claims-about-his-bio-that-the-media-ignored/



so did the shrub.

why should obama release his transcripts when you tards either can't fucking read them or will become depressed at the grades they'd show that you'll never receive even if einstein was alive and helping you
 

Elwood Diggler

Well-Known Member
Like Uncle Puke, you obviously know very little about:

Prageru.com

Like other frauds who choose ignorance over a enlightenment you also choose misrepresentation over truly finding out about that which you falsely paint.

Now you may have saved your fellow leftists some time they would have spent educating themselves (even if its learning how and why the enemy thinks), but those of us who know you are spewing a false portrayal now wonder about all your portrayals.



no one on the left would be dumb enough to waste time learning how you think. it's obvious the concept is way out of your "participant" level
 

bearkat42

Well-Known Member
Obviously you haven't watched the news or read a newspaper recently or online either.
Of course I have. I'm actually keeping a running tab of his fucking lies. He's lied about stabbing someone, lied about West Point, lied about petting a bear (my favorite), and lied about reading a magazine that didn't even exist at the time. Forgive me if I left out any of his lies, as I'm going off the top of my head.
 

hyroot

Well-Known Member
Of course I have. I'm actually keeping a running tab of his fucking lies. He's lied about stabbing someone, lied about West Point, lied about petting a bear (my favorite), and lied about reading a magazine that didn't even exist at the time. Forgive me if I left out any of his lies, as I'm going off the top of my head.
Reread what you just posted and then reread the meme. Then you will get it.
 

pnwmystery

Well-Known Member
Like Uncle Puke, you obviously know very little about:

Prageru.com

Like other frauds who choose ignorance over a enlightenment you also choose misrepresentation over truly finding out about that which you falsely paint.

Now you may have saved your fellow leftists some time they would have spent educating themselves (even if its learning how and why the enemy thinks), but those of us who know you are spewing a false portrayal now wonder about all your portrayals.
Obviously I know more about PragerU than you do. See, it even rhymes, but you'll see that PragerU is even unaccredited and does not even count for any sort of curriculum. You're the one choosing ignorance over enlightenment: It's called confirmation bias. You will find any piece of information no matter how wrong to validate your false claims. But, once again, keep saying PragerU is a valid source and we'll continue to laugh at you like when a baby tries to fit the star shape into the circle hole.

Look, you can't even back up how it is a good, valid source - all you can do is just throw out insult after insult. Too cute, you're cornered, going to cry now?
 

hyroot

Well-Known Member
Nah, my man. It's my point that you're missing, but it's not that serious.
What in the hell does this have to do with Carson??
^^^^

I answered your question. The meme parodied Carsons lie about the stabbing

Brian Williams being caught lying then fired and rehired. Back up the lie just adds to the comedy.

You had no point just a question.

I guess that intellectual humor is over your head
 

bravedave

Well-Known Member
no one on the left would be dumb enough to waste time learning how you think. it's obvious the concept is way out of your "participant" level
Aww shoot Elwood, Here I thought you were of a free mind. Why would you want to limit yourself to eating the same kibble every day? Why do you choose ignorance like it is a badge of honor?

In any case, it is not all about learning how conservatives think but about learning period. Here is a good example...what do you think about tyranny?.,,

https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/why-were-losing-liberty
 
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