Bone Meal vs Bat Guano release times

[Darth Vapour]

I been looking south as of late at property average pile of shit property here starts @ 400,000

Grandpa so your into Bokashi fermenting ?? its a good way to go
Hell i even in my compost bin add used fats and vegetable oils pretty impressed with my results

 

[Grandpa GreenJeans]

I been looking south as of late at property average pile of shit property here starts @ 400,000

Grandpa so your into Bokashi fermenting ?? its a good way to go
Hell i even in my compost bin add used fats and vegetable oils pretty impressed with my results

Oh for sure dude, ive seen people going the meat, dairy, fat and grease route but ive never tried. Its like a burned in taboo in my brain. I always toss it and then after im like shit!, i could have composted that. lol

 

[Grandpa GreenJeans]

not sure I could go there...
but honestly?
Not sure I could raise rabbits, chickens, goats and such, and then slaughter them either...
I was sorta traumatized as a kid.... was too curious about the rabbit slaughtering procedure...
lets just say, that the "screaming" that Clarisse experienced in the "silence of the lambs" was a cartoon compared to the gurgling screams that rabbits make when their throats are cut....
A lil much for a curious 8yr old..

Im a hunter and traper. Ma daddy taught me when i was very young, rabbits cry almost like a human baby. At least thats what it reminds me of. Sends a chill sometimes. I havent hunted or trapped since he dided in 2002

 

[Darth Vapour]

Oh for sure dude, ive seen people going the meat, dairy, fat and grease route but ive never tried. Its like a burned in taboo in my brain. I always toss it and then after im like shit!, i could have composted that. lol

I used to send out tankers of milk and dairy waste products out to farms to spread right out of high school test n grade milk guy tested farmers samples for penicillin before they could re enter there tons of benifits with pouring milk into any compost or even bokashi i would think

 

[Grandpa GreenJeans]

I used to send out tankers of milk and dairy waste products out to farms to spread right out of high school test n grade milk guy tested farmers samples for penicillin before they could re enter there tons of benifits with pouring milk into any compost or even bokashi i would think

I would certainly think they would test for contaminants, the only bennifit from lactose is lactic bacteria and yeast when applied as the above. But when ever ive made my lacto seru (literally years ago because i innco with the same lacto i cultured from the first cultured ever made) Im guarranteed a active, healthy, flaculative seruim that has a reputation for success and very fast recovery times. Ive even taken samples to my wifes lab and worked them as an isolate on petri as to proliforate the various lacto sub species and phototropic bacteria. Yeasts are all the same and guarranteed to come through.

 

[ShLUbY]

we keep fuckin up the very things we are trying to avoid.
I LOVE feather meal, but it's loaded with arsenic, heavy metals in fish products, prions in bone meals, airborne pathogens in guanos..
it's a clusterfuck.
Need to do what I've always wanted to do, and buy some land, and become a homesteader.
Make my own everything.
Rabbit manure, chicken feathers/manure, comfrey, etc, etc.
In CA I just need like 100,000 bucks... and somebody that will drill me a deep ass well in exchange for herb...

i'm trying to get myself in a place to do this. i don't want to work for someone. i'll work for myself. you really don't need that much money a year to make your mortgage payment.... i can do that with maple syrup, garden veggies, and a few other hobbies that i have. the rest is all a bonus!

 

[greasemonkeymann]

i'm trying to get myself in a place to do this. i don't want to work for someone. i'll work for myself. you really don't need that much money a year to make your mortgage payment.... i can do that with maple syrup, garden veggies, and a few other hobbies that i have. the rest is all a bonus!

I work for myself, but I work fuckin HARD for not a whole lot...
and sadly my growing skills can net me waaaaay more than my expertise in diagnostics (sadly considering)
funny though... it takes soo freakin much knowledge and experience and schooling to be a good diagnostician..
And yet to grow this magnificent plant, it's really easy..
Sorta a shame considering that how many professionals in other fields may end up doing the same thing.
thus diluting the industry's talent..
but whatever...

 

[ShLUbY]

I work for myself, but I work fuckin HARD for not a whole lot...
and sadly my growing skills can net me waaaaay more than my expertise in diagnostics (sadly considering)
funny though... it takes soo freakin much knowledge and experience and schooling to be a good diagnostician..
And yet to grow this magnificent plant, it's really easy..
Sorta a shame considering that how many professionals in other fields may end up doing the same thing.
thus diluting the industry's talent..
but whatever...

shit it's been diluted.... but it's gonna get worse, you are right.

i personally believe there will always be a market for top notch....

 

[DANK PURPY]

I'm avoiding peat moss because it's not a sustainable resources and it breaks down and gets more acidic over time. And I'm no fan of Coco. Only ever had subpar grows out of it. The vermiculite has the water and nutrient holding capabilities I need.

Definitely got a respirator! I'm not against slaughterhouse products (I eat bacon and that rolls in shit before it dies) but I love fish bone meal for the taste it brings and it's traditionally my go to but bone meal was on sale at menards...and I always have to go to this one specific grow store just for fish bone meal...so there you go. Do you know if fish bone meal carries the same hearty amount of calcium that bone meal has (20somethingpercent)? I use Alfalfa teas during veg so I usually don't bother with it in the soil.

Mainly I want to see are the guano plants going to take up all the phosphorus they break down right away, or will it take them the whole flower period? Bone meal or fish bone meal with its slower break down time should provide for the whole life but I want to see the side by side.

i would recommend coco loco. that alone makes up my soil medium. been working great and i can feed my plants everyday!

 

[Rasta Roy]

haha, now that is tempting...
Only thing is the impending outdoor CA limits..
I hear they are going to force a whole inspection like you would if you were commercially growing vegetables.
undoubtedly to garner more money in permits and such...
It should be legalized here in CA next autumn.. but who knows..
we should have been legal LONG before Oregon, Washington, and colorado

i would recommend coco loco. that alone makes up my soil medium. been working great and i can feed my plants everyday!

Are you feeding with bottled nutes or did you do a mix with your coco? I'm trying to avoid bottled nutes at all cost. With the exception of fish emulsion, liquid Kelp, molasses, and humic acid but those are base ingredients not cure alls. I'm a chef, I want to put the meal together. I don't want someone else to do it for me.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Are you feeding with bottled nutes or did you do a mix with your coco? I'm trying to avoid bottled nutes at all cost. With the exception of fish emulsion, liquid Kelp, molasses, and humic acid but those are base ingredients not cure alls. I'm a chef, I want to put the meal together. I don't want someone else to do it for me.

I wouldn't use those bottled ingredients at all, you can, but you'd be better of making a soil with, kelp meal, fish meal, and leave out the molasses and the humic/fulvic acids (the compost procedure is going to supply you with all you need in that regard)
I'm just saying those "base" ingredients are actually not as good as their dry counterparts.
My mix has no coco in it, mostly leaf compost, and some peat leftover from the old days

 

[Rasta Roy]

I wouldn't use those bottled ingredients at all, you can, but you'd be better of making a soil with, kelp meal, fish meal, and leave out the molasses and the humic/fulvic acids (the compost procedure is going to supply you with all you need in that regard)
I'm just saying those "base" ingredients are actually not as good as their dry counterparts.
My mix has no coco in it, mostly leaf compost, and some peat leftover from the old days

I've got the meals in my soil I just use the above bottles to make my compost tea. Sorry I should have been more specific.

 

[Rasta Roy]

Do you think I can afford to leave the humic acid out of my teas?

 

[Darth Vapour]

 

[Rasta Roy]

Lol amen to that brother.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Do you think I can afford to leave the humic acid out of my teas?

I gotcha, keep in mind a good soil with a compost base, won't really need much in the compost tea department.
The whole compost procedure is how the acids are created, so if you have a good source, you are already waaay ahead of the game.
I honestly don't give my plants any teas, other than maybe a SST tea, or a coconut water tea, and that's just once.
and are you making a microbe tea, or a nutrient tea?
Typically a compost tea is just worm castings and BSM

 

[Rasta Roy]

I gotcha, keep in mind a good soil with a compost base, won't really need much in the compost tea department.
The whole compost procedure is how the acids are created, so if you have a good source, you are already waaay ahead of the game.
I honestly don't give my plants any teas, other than maybe a SST tea, or a coconut water tea, and that's just once.
and are you making a microbe tea, or a nutrient tea?
Typically a compost tea is just worm castings and BSM

Microbe tea! The fish, kelp, and humic acid from what I've been told is supposed to feed the fungal properties in the compost, while the molasses feeds the bacteria.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Microbe tea! The fish, kelp, and humic acid from what I've been told is supposed to feed the fungal properties in the compost, while the molasses feeds the bacteria.

gotcha, just keep in mind some of those ingredients delay microbial life, and in some cases (according to tim the microbe man) the fish can actually kill microbes...
the molasses is foodstock for both fungal and bacterial, if I recall correctly kelp inhibits microbial population also, so ya gotta brew a lil longer than a traditional AACT.
there are some conflicting information regarding this, and since I don't own a fancy expensive microscope I can only repeat what I've read...
In my experience though, teas are often more trouble than they are worth, but that's with my growing technique/style, so it has it's uses for sure.
just not as important as it is for people using more inert growing media
--- all that being said, I LOVE an aloe tea, I also love coconut water teas too, but be careful not to use those excessively as they are high in potassium and you CAN overdo it on that

 

[Rasta Roy]

gotcha, just keep in mind some of those ingredients delay microbial life, and in some cases (according to tim the microbe man) the fish can actually kill microbes...
the molasses is foodstock for both fungal and bacterial, if I recall correctly kelp inhibits microbial population also, so ya gotta brew a lil longer than a traditional AACT.
there are some conflicting information regarding this, and since I don't own a fancy expensive microscope I can only repeat what I've read...
In my experience though, teas are often more trouble than they are worth, but that's with my growing technique/style, so it has it's uses for sure.
just not as important as it is for people using more inert growing media
--- all that being said, I LOVE an aloe tea, I also love coconut water teas too, but be careful not to use those excessively as they are high in potassium and you CAN overdo it on that

Thanks for the pointers!