Bone Meal vs Bat Guano release times

Darth Vapour

Well-Known Member
Sometimes i wonder how people mention get away from slaughter house product yet have no issue about the fishing industry. Same fucking thing really a processed product touched by man Can only imagine the contaminants found in fish products sold in garden centers etc .
I used to use shrimp compost for my indoor grows
The biggest thing to hit the MJ world is growing organic then Why the hell aren't we i mean fuck the pathogen containing manures and the mercury infested fish, with also other contaminants metals etc .. a simple compost with coffee grinds eggshells , vegetable matter grass clippings you name it.
would be such a better overall choice Greens rather then other N fixing materials
most organic growers do not have a clue about CN ratio's same thing applies to most of the recipes found on MJ sites the problem is there soil was never right to begin with
The fastest way to produce fertile, sweet-smelling compost is to maintain a C:N ratio somewhere around 25 to 30 parts Carbon to 1 part Nitrogen, or 25-30:1. If the C:N ratio is too high (excess Carbon), decomposition slows down. If the C:N ratio is too low (excess nitrogen) you will end up with a stinky pile.
Microorganisms that digest compost need about 30 parts of carbon for every part of nitrogen they consume. That's a balanced diet for them. If there's too much nitrogen, the microorganisms can't use it all and the excess is lost in the form of smelly ammonia gas. Nitrogen loss due to excess nitrogen in the pile (a low C:N ratio) can be over 60%. At a C:N ratio of 30 or 35 to 1, only one half of one percent of the nitrogen will be lost. That's why you don't want too much nitrogen (fresh manure, for example) in your compost: the nitrogen will be lost in the air in the form of ammonia gas, and nitrogen is too valuable for plants to allow it to escape into the atmosphere.

Some food for thought
  1. A maximum of 35% of the carbon in fresh organic material will be converted into soil humus IFthere is sufficient nitrogen present.
  2. A minimum of 65% of the carbon in fresh organic material will be given off to the atmosphere as carbon dioxide due to microbial respiration. (Uh-oh! An argument could be made that composting contributes to greenhouse gases and warming of the Earth's atmosphere. However, consider this, nature is always decomposing everywhere; so, what you are doing in your little compost bin is a mere iota of carbon release compared to nature's vast compost bin in forests, rangeland, etc.)
  3. The humus formed from the decomposition of fresh organic material will contain approximately 50% carbon and 5% nitrogen. In other words, the C:N ratio of the humus is 10:1.
  4. Most fresh plant material contains 40% carbon. The C:N ratio varies because of differences in nitrogen content, not carbon content. (Note: Dry materials are generally in the range of 40 to 50 percent carbon, and sloppy, wet materials are generally 10 to 20 percent carbon. Therefore, the most important factor in estimating the carbon-to-nitrogen ratio of plant or food waste is how much water is present).
 

greasemonkeymann

Well-Known Member
Sometimes i wonder how people mention get away from slaughter house product yet have no issue about the fishing industry. Same fucking thing really a processed product touched by man Can only imagine the contaminants found in fish products sold in garden centers etc .
I used to use shrimp compost for my indoor grows
The biggest thing to hit the MJ world is growing organic then Why the hell aren't we i mean fuck the pathogen containing manures and the mercury infested fish, with also other contaminants metals etc .. a simple compost with coffee grinds eggshells , vegetable matter grass clippings you name it.
would be such a better overall choice Greens rather then other N fixing materials
most organic growers do not have a clue about CN ratio's same thing applies to most of the recipes found on MJ sites the problem is there soil was never right to begin with
The fastest way to produce fertile, sweet-smelling compost is to maintain a C:N ratio somewhere around 25 to 30 parts Carbon to 1 part Nitrogen, or 25-30:1. If the C:N ratio is too high (excess Carbon), decomposition slows down. If the C:N ratio is too low (excess nitrogen) you will end up with a stinky pile.
Microorganisms that digest compost need about 30 parts of carbon for every part of nitrogen they consume. That's a balanced diet for them. If there's too much nitrogen, the microorganisms can't use it all and the excess is lost in the form of smelly ammonia gas. Nitrogen loss due to excess nitrogen in the pile (a low C:N ratio) can be over 60%. At a C:N ratio of 30 or 35 to 1, only one half of one percent of the nitrogen will be lost. That's why you don't want too much nitrogen (fresh manure, for example) in your compost: the nitrogen will be lost in the air in the form of ammonia gas, and nitrogen is too valuable for plants to allow it to escape into the atmosphere.

Some food for thought
  1. A maximum of 35% of the carbon in fresh organic material will be converted into soil humus IFthere is sufficient nitrogen present.
  2. A minimum of 65% of the carbon in fresh organic material will be given off to the atmosphere as carbon dioxide due to microbial respiration. (Uh-oh! An argument could be made that composting contributes to greenhouse gases and warming of the Earth's atmosphere. However, consider this, nature is always decomposing everywhere; so, what you are doing in your little compost bin is a mere iota of carbon release compared to nature's vast compost bin in forests, rangeland, etc.)
  3. The humus formed from the decomposition of fresh organic material will contain approximately 50% carbon and 5% nitrogen. In other words, the C:N ratio of the humus is 10:1.
  4. Most fresh plant material contains 40% carbon. The C:N ratio varies because of differences in nitrogen content, not carbon content. (Note: Dry materials are generally in the range of 40 to 50 percent carbon, and sloppy, wet materials are generally 10 to 20 percent carbon. Therefore, the most important factor in estimating the carbon-to-nitrogen ratio of plant or food waste is how much water is present).
yes, but i'm not going to develop a prion disease from fish man.
and your compost advice (as always) IS the best thing to do for a soil mix *(we all know we are both on that philosophy)
BUT the OP's question wasn't geared for that
 

Grandpa GreenJeans

Well-Known Member
Sometimes i wonder how people mention get away from slaughter house product yet have no issue about the fishing industry. Same fucking thing really a processed product touched by man Can only imagine the contaminants found in fish products sold in garden centers etc .
I used to use shrimp compost for my indoor grows
The biggest thing to hit the MJ world is growing organic then Why the hell aren't we i mean fuck the pathogen containing manures and the mercury infested fish, with also other contaminants metals etc .. a simple compost with coffee grinds eggshells , vegetable matter grass clippings you name it.
would be such a better overall choice Greens rather then other N fixing materials
most organic growers do not have a clue about CN ratio's same thing applies to most of the recipes found on MJ sites the problem is there soil was never right to begin with
The fastest way to produce fertile, sweet-smelling compost is to maintain a C:N ratio somewhere around 25 to 30 parts Carbon to 1 part Nitrogen, or 25-30:1. If the C:N ratio is too high (excess Carbon), decomposition slows down. If the C:N ratio is too low (excess nitrogen) you will end up with a stinky pile.
Microorganisms that digest compost need about 30 parts of carbon for every part of nitrogen they consume. That's a balanced diet for them. If there's too much nitrogen, the microorganisms can't use it all and the excess is lost in the form of smelly ammonia gas. Nitrogen loss due to excess nitrogen in the pile (a low C:N ratio) can be over 60%. At a C:N ratio of 30 or 35 to 1, only one half of one percent of the nitrogen will be lost. That's why you don't want too much nitrogen (fresh manure, for example) in your compost: the nitrogen will be lost in the air in the form of ammonia gas, and nitrogen is too valuable for plants to allow it to escape into the atmosphere.

Some food for thought
  1. A maximum of 35% of the carbon in fresh organic material will be converted into soil humus IFthere is sufficient nitrogen present.
  2. A minimum of 65% of the carbon in fresh organic material will be given off to the atmosphere as carbon dioxide due to microbial respiration. (Uh-oh! An argument could be made that composting contributes to greenhouse gases and warming of the Earth's atmosphere. However, consider this, nature is always decomposing everywhere; so, what you are doing in your little compost bin is a mere iota of carbon release compared to nature's vast compost bin in forests, rangeland, etc.)
  3. The humus formed from the decomposition of fresh organic material will contain approximately 50% carbon and 5% nitrogen. In other words, the C:N ratio of the humus is 10:1.
  4. Most fresh plant material contains 40% carbon. The C:N ratio varies because of differences in nitrogen content, not carbon content. (Note: Dry materials are generally in the range of 40 to 50 percent carbon, and sloppy, wet materials are generally 10 to 20 percent carbon. Therefore, the most important factor in estimating the carbon-to-nitrogen ratio of plant or food waste is how much water is present).
I completley agree, however i dont just compost. I ferment first so im able to bipass the C/N ratio rule
 

anzohaze

Well-Known Member
careful though man, I've read many reports on farm raised fish being actually worse than wild.
Let me see if a can google some stuff on that, coulda swore I JUST read something about that a couple months ago
I no farm raised shrimp all alot worse for you then ocean caught shrimp as the ponds they use get runoff oils chemicals etc from nearby land so I would think fish would be the same
 

Grandpa GreenJeans

Well-Known Member
I whole heartedly think the quality varies from local. I have seen above ground "pools" or "ponds" here in my state just a few counties over. I live in a very big city but my state is heavily wooded rual. Some farmers care-
 

Darth Vapour

Well-Known Member
yes, but i'm not going to develop a prion disease from fish man.
and your compost advice (as always) IS the best thing to do for a soil mix *(we all know we are both on that philosophy)
BUT the OP's question wasn't geared for that
There is other deadly diseases you can catch from fish meal samething applies with Bat Guano histoplasmosis , in fish lots of disease and parasites so where does guy win right most of the shit growers buy do not know where it came from or how it was handled etc and we can fight about well were feeding plants this shit so in essence were ingesting it also
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
Sometimes i wonder how people mention get away from slaughter house product yet have no issue about the fishing industry. Same fucking thing really a processed product touched by man Can only imagine the contaminants found in fish products sold in garden centers etc .
I used to use shrimp compost for my indoor grows
The biggest thing to hit the MJ world is growing organic then Why the hell aren't we i mean fuck the pathogen containing manures and the mercury infested fish, with also other contaminants metals etc .. a simple compost with coffee grinds eggshells , vegetable matter grass clippings you name it.
would be such a better overall choice Greens rather then other N fixing materials
most organic growers do not have a clue about CN ratio's same thing applies to most of the recipes found on MJ sites the problem is there soil was never right to begin with
The fastest way to produce fertile, sweet-smelling compost is to maintain a C:N ratio somewhere around 25 to 30 parts Carbon to 1 part Nitrogen, or 25-30:1. If the C:N ratio is too high (excess Carbon), decomposition slows down. If the C:N ratio is too low (excess nitrogen) you will end up with a stinky pile.
Microorganisms that digest compost need about 30 parts of carbon for every part of nitrogen they consume. That's a balanced diet for them. If there's too much nitrogen, the microorganisms can't use it all and the excess is lost in the form of smelly ammonia gas. Nitrogen loss due to excess nitrogen in the pile (a low C:N ratio) can be over 60%. At a C:N ratio of 30 or 35 to 1, only one half of one percent of the nitrogen will be lost. That's why you don't want too much nitrogen (fresh manure, for example) in your compost: the nitrogen will be lost in the air in the form of ammonia gas, and nitrogen is too valuable for plants to allow it to escape into the atmosphere.

Some food for thought
  1. A maximum of 35% of the carbon in fresh organic material will be converted into soil humus IFthere is sufficient nitrogen present.
  2. A minimum of 65% of the carbon in fresh organic material will be given off to the atmosphere as carbon dioxide due to microbial respiration. (Uh-oh! An argument could be made that composting contributes to greenhouse gases and warming of the Earth's atmosphere. However, consider this, nature is always decomposing everywhere; so, what you are doing in your little compost bin is a mere iota of carbon release compared to nature's vast compost bin in forests, rangeland, etc.)
  3. The humus formed from the decomposition of fresh organic material will contain approximately 50% carbon and 5% nitrogen. In other words, the C:N ratio of the humus is 10:1.
  4. Most fresh plant material contains 40% carbon. The C:N ratio varies because of differences in nitrogen content, not carbon content. (Note: Dry materials are generally in the range of 40 to 50 percent carbon, and sloppy, wet materials are generally 10 to 20 percent carbon. Therefore, the most important factor in estimating the carbon-to-nitrogen ratio of plant or food waste is how much water is present).
You and I share many of the same thoughts! I have a control plant that is just compromised of the quality local compost I have access to, worm castings, perlite, and vermiculite. I'm gonna feed with compost tea only and see how the plant does in comparison to my guano fertilized plants and my bone meal plants.
 

greasemonkeymann

Well-Known Member
I whole heartedly think the quality varies from local. I have seen above ground "pools" or "ponds" here in my state just a few counties over. I live in a very big city but my state is heavily wooded rual. Some farmers care-
we keep fuckin up the very things we are trying to avoid.
I LOVE feather meal, but it's loaded with arsenic, heavy metals in fish products, prions in bone meals, airborne pathogens in guanos..
it's a clusterfuck.
Need to do what I've always wanted to do, and buy some land, and become a homesteader.
Make my own everything.
Rabbit manure, chicken feathers/manure, comfrey, etc, etc.
In CA I just need like 100,000 bucks... and somebody that will drill me a deep ass well in exchange for herb...
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
we keep fuckin up the very things we are trying to avoid.
I LOVE feather meal, but it's loaded with arsenic, heavy metals in fish products, prions in bone meals, airborne pathogens in guanos..
it's a clusterfuck.
Need to do what I've always wanted to do, and buy some land, and become a homesteader.
Make my own everything.
Rabbit manure, chicken feathers/manure, comfrey, etc, etc.
In CA I just need like 100,000 bucks... and somebody that will drill me a deep ass well in exchange for herb...
That's the dream!
 

Grandpa GreenJeans

Well-Known Member
we keep fuckin up the very things we are trying to avoid.
I LOVE feather meal, but it's loaded with arsenic, heavy metals in fish products, prions in bone meals, airborne pathogens in guanos..
it's a clusterfuck.
Need to do what I've always wanted to do, and buy some land, and become a homesteader.
Make my own everything.
Rabbit manure, chicken feathers/manure, comfrey, etc, etc.
In CA I just need like 100,000 bucks... and somebody that will drill me a deep ass well in exchange for herb...
Technically, with the bokashi method, one could compost their body waste...............
Live off the land, and the land will live through you. or so ive read...lol Ive never been ballsy benough to compost vmy own shit.
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
Technically, with the bokashi method, one could compost their body waste...............
Live off the land, and the land will live through you. or so ive read...lol Ive never been ballsy benough to compost vmy own shit.
Yea I don't know if I'd ever compost my own shit. Some animal shit maybe. If I raise my own bats for guano will the townspeople mistake me for Batman instead of a cannabis farmer?
 

Darth Vapour

Well-Known Member
we keep fuckin up the very things we are trying to avoid.
I LOVE feather meal, but it's loaded with arsenic, heavy metals in fish products, prions in bone meals, airborne pathogens in guanos..
it's a clusterfuck.
Need to do what I've always wanted to do, and buy some land, and become a homesteader.
Make my own everything.
Rabbit manure, chicken feathers/manure, comfrey, etc, etc.
In CA I just need like 100,000 bucks... and somebody that will drill me a deep ass well in exchange for herb...
hey dude i give you 50 k we partner up :)
 

greasemonkeymann

Well-Known Member
hey dude i give you 50 k we partner up :)
haha, now that is tempting...
Only thing is the impending outdoor CA limits..
I hear they are going to force a whole inspection like you would if you were commercially growing vegetables.
undoubtedly to garner more money in permits and such...
It should be legalized here in CA next autumn.. but who knows..
we should have been legal LONG before Oregon, Washington, and colorado
 

greasemonkeymann

Well-Known Member
Technically, with the bokashi method, one could compost their body waste...............
Live off the land, and the land will live through you. or so ive read...lol Ive never been ballsy benough to compost vmy own shit.
not sure I could go there...
but honestly?
Not sure I could raise rabbits, chickens, goats and such, and then slaughter them either...
I was sorta traumatized as a kid.... was too curious about the rabbit slaughtering procedure...
lets just say, that the "screaming" that Clarisse experienced in the "silence of the lambs" was a cartoon compared to the gurgling screams that rabbits make when their throats are cut....
A lil much for a curious 8yr old..
 
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