Do all plants go through the "flowering stretch"?

[CA MTN MAN]

Do you even know the difference between a regular stretch and flowering stretch bro? Flowering stretch isn't actually mean your plants stretching in a bad way, the plant just keeps growin for a few weeks while switching from veg to bud

 

[sunni]

stop instigating fights folks

 

[jacksthc]

Hahah dude I pull pounds off my plants.... Not half ounces HAHAHAH and ur asking if I know what I'm talking about?

you pull pounds off indoor plants lol

They had a 600 LED set up at a grow store growing veggies. They had to raise it up to 26" because it was bleaching the leaves!

They can't be too close for that reason. And the tomatoes under those store LED's looked big to me. They penetrate. Too close and they bleach. Newer technology and it keeps changing. Don't trust them for the primary footprint enough yet, but as sides they work great.

never grown with leds but keep hearing diffent things about them, like they don't give off much heat and they can't match a 600w for light penetration, they cost a lot of money for the leds good lights, the only point i trying to make in this thread about side lights is if they don't give off any heat there not going to give off much light

 

[jacksthc]

Do you even know the difference between a regular stretch and flowering stretch bro? Flowering stretch isn't actually mean your plants stretching in a bad way, the plant just keeps growin for a few weeks while switching from veg to bud

yer normal growth is slow and even in veg, you have control and flower the plant when you want to.

In flower the stretch, you have little control, it happens over 2 weeks when the plant goes from veg to true flower
can cause a lot of problems, the plant can double or triple the size in that time
you can't really do anthing to train the plants at this point and thats the probem, if the plant ends up uneven it stay that way and you get a lower yeild at havest

could run out of space or the plants don't fill the space it can be hit or miss to get the perfect canopy shape,

 

[tangerinegreen555]

never grown with leds but keep hearing diffent things about them

I have grown with them, they work fine. See avatar pic.

 

[CA MTN MAN]

stop instigating fights folks

Yesssssssir

 

[ButchyBoy]

I would have very little product to give to the needy if I had 12 inch plants! Heck, I don't move them to the flower room until they are at least 26 inches tall.

One four foot plant produces around 5 ounces dry weight and I can fit 8 plants in my room and still be able to walk around them. That would be 40 small plants (1/2 ounce) to deal with to get the same return which would use the entire room. No thanks!!

I did the scrog thing and it just didn't work as well as letting the plants do what they do naturally. Takes too much time to "train" the plant when it could just be growing..



Depending on the strain, the lower branches produce the same size flowers as the upper branches. There are no "tops" on my plants as they are used as clones for the next round. Also my room is highly reflective so the branches grow straight out instead of up and the lower leafs grow upside down collecting the light from the floor.

As for stretch, all strains do it, some more than others.

 

[sunni]

Yesssssssir

ima woman lol

 

[chained]

Do any of you MH/HPS growers keep your MH bulb in for a couple of weeks after switching to 12/12, to help reduce stretching?

 

[Darth Vapour]

When flipping to flower lower your lights and keep cropping all your tops for the first 2 weeks until bud sets then your good to go

THC if your normal growth is slow then you have other issues a healthy plant with everything in check should grow 3 - 4 " in 24 hr period this includes lateral growth

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Do any of you MH/HPS growers keep your MH bulb in for a couple of weeks after switching to 12/12, to help reduce stretching?

No. I'm thinking it wouldn't make a whole lot of difference.

There are hormone products if it must be stopped, but a different color light...I don't see how.

Plants want to grow when you cut back the light hours. 1000 watts (or whatever) is still 1000 watts.

 

[chained]

There's a few threads on here where this discussion comes up and I've been convinced, enough, that the blue spectrum MH during the first week-or-so of 12/12 will aide keeping stretch to a minimum when used in the transition to HPS.

I don't believe 1000watts is 1000watts, I think light spectrum comes into it quite a bit but I'm still learning

No. I'm thinking it wouldn't make a whole lot of difference.

There are hormone products if it must be stopped, but a different color light...I don't see how.

Plants want to grow when you cut back the light hours. 1000 watts (or whatever) is still 1000 watts.

 

[Darth Vapour]

lower lights n crop enough said lol

 

[tangerinegreen555]

There's a few threads on here where this discussion comes up and I've been convinced, enough, that the blue spectrum MH during the first week-or-so of 12/12 will aide keeping stretch to a minimum when used in the transition to HPS.

I don't believe 1000watts is 1000watts, I think light spectrum comes into it quite a bit but I'm still learning

Everybody is still learning...unless they're dead.

 

[hellmutt bones]

some autos have a hard time stretching.

 

[chained]

Everybody is still learning...unless they're dead.

If that's the case I've met some damn zombies in my time!

 

[adower]

When flipping to flower lower your lights and keep cropping all your tops for the first 2 weeks until bud sets then your good to go

THC if your normal growth is slow then you have other issues a healthy plant with everything in check should grow 3 - 4 " in 24 hr period this includes lateral growth

That's what I do exactly.

 

[jacksthc]

Why do I want large plants? Um why would you want small plants? Hahah I try to get the highest yeild I can when I grow, not the smallest

these colas are about 10-12" above the screen in a 4ft x 4ft room under a 600w hps, don't know whats wrong with 12" colas, you don't get 2- 3ft colas under a 600w hps

 

[Darth Vapour]

in order to get good sized buds we need good tight internodes and even with that there will be noticeable stems , once the buds are drying and shrivel up 75 percent of the mass
to get big colas its going to take a good strain, and wattage althoigh people are getting decent sized nugs with 600's 1000's are the bad boys on the block 600 watts are more effcient watt per watt but this does not mean 600 's are better ..
there is a reason why 1000's are pulling 2.5 - 3 pounds per light and 600's well below that amazing when you think about what the difference 400 watts can do

Its knowing the strain and amount of stretch believe it or not over 70 percent of the actual plants life is stretch its learning how to use the stretch to your benefit

 

[tangerinegreen555]

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these colas are about 10-12" above the screen in a 4ft x 4ft room under a 600w hps, don't know whats wrong with 12" colas, you don't get 2- 3ft colas under a 600w hps

Everybody grows "space dependent". I need to walk plants out of the room 8 feet over to a double wash tub in the adjacent room for watering cycles and servicing. When they go back into the room, they are rotated and are not in the same orientation as when they left. I can't be tied to strings, a screen, or anything else without MAJOR changes to the room. If I am going to spend money like that, I'd rather spend it on light upgrades or new bulbs.

I like (actually need) to have each potted plant independent of the others, you can do what you want...

And, in the end, it's what you get in the end...not how you grow in the beginning. There a certain easy techniques when you first start seeds that if you follow them, you'll get them going quicker. But it's a hearty weed no matter what you do...

I get as much as anybody who has similar lights, and internodal spacing is overrated anyway. You can control that with early light spacing (close), hormones before switching the lights, and other tricks you learn over the years without having everything joined together by a screen or strings.

A lot of these modern techniques with special names we were doing outside 40 years ago. If a plant was getting too tall, we'd tie on to the top and anchor it into the ground, grow it like an arch. We called it 'keeping it out of sight as much as possible'.

And that's not to say your screen set up doesn't look awesome, it's just not for me. I like keeping it simple with independent plants in independent pots.