The philosophy thread

[reddan1981]

It's a matter or perspective.
It's not surprising considering mankind has seemed to put all of their eggs into one basket. Furthering technology and making everyday Mundane life easier than it was previously.
Eventually the focus should shift or evolve in human conscience to finally achieve 46 and 2.

I am interested in your focus on the numbers 46 and 2. What is your understanding of these numbers?

 

[torontoke]

Careful the convo has a real chance of getting super boring to most.
I too have read a lot of books over the yrs and I've always thought that the underlying principles relate to chromosomes and Jungian theory.
A lot more to it than a great song.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

I ain't skeered. But it always fun watching threads go this wayward with all the little titty babies chiming in. Yeah son. I fucked your momma man and blasted my cum all up inside her. It was good in the moment. Now it don't matter.

 

[reddan1981]

My belief of our present state, comes from my disagreements with jungian theory well elements of it anyway. I disbelieve in an evolutionary step physically or spirituality. I would probably bore you first or make you laugh at my stupidity before I could get anyone to understand my believes, they are still a work in progress lol

 

[torontoke]

The evolution of man has been hampered by mans desire to change the world for himself as an individual entity. This could be proof that an evolution to 46 and 2 is unlikely and a chromosome reduction is just as possible.
If humans could ever manage to achieve the state then perhaps there would be hope for the species and all the remaining species at the time.

 

[reddan1981]

The evolution of man has been hampered by mans desire to change the world for himself as an individual entity. This could be proof that an evolution to 46 and 2 is unlikely and a chromosome reduction is just as possible.
If humans could ever manage to achieve the state then perhaps there would be hope for the species and all the remaining species at the time.

I don't believe we have 23 pairs of chromosomes so there in lies another part of jungian theory I don't agree with. I believe 23 to be one such symbol (in reference to jungian theory that symbols have noticed effects on our psychology ). What is the axis of the earth brother, how long does it take for our blood to circulate the coincidences of 23 or multiples of 2&3 go on and on... I don't think 'man' or precisely his psychology is the determining factors in our present situation. I used the term 'man' in a 3rd term deliberately. If you want to continue this discussion, what is your understanding of man?

 

[torontoke]

I don't believe we have 23 pairs of chromosomes so there in lies another part of jungian theory I don't agree with. I believe 23 to be one such symbol (in reference to jungian theory that symbols have noticed effects on our psychology ). What is the axis of the earth brother, how long does it take for our blood to circulate the coincidences of 23 or multiples of 2&3 go on and on... if you would like me to elaborate more I'll continue.

No need I think I have read a lot of theory and don't disagree with your arguments against Jung and his ideas.
My ideas are also different from his and I too have found a few holes in the theories and completely disagree with the inclusion of the so called "Jesus chromosome" recognized in 89.
Not quite sure we will ever have a definitive science based answer.
You don't have to agree with the entire theory however to see the differences in the past to future or in the animal kingdom.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

My belief of our present state, comes from my disagreements with jungian theory well elements of it anyway. I disbelieve in an evolutionary step physically or spirituality. I would probably bore you first or make you laugh at my stupidity before I could get anyone to understand my believes, they are still a work in progress lol

Yep. U bored me and made me laugh. Good job.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

The evolution of man has been hampered by mans desire to change the world for himself as an individual entity. This could be proof that an evolution to 46 and 2 is unlikely and a chromosome reduction is just as possible.
If humans could ever manage to achieve the state then perhaps there would be hope for the species and all the remaining species at the time.

Whatever. Try getting high. That crap us just silly.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

I am high but I must have missed the part where I think I'm special.

I'm just high. Sorry I'm being an ass.

 

[New Age United]

Have you heard of the Tasaday tribe? Well using them as an example ( they were later found to be a fraud) imagine a tribe that lived in the jungle, for eight centuries untouched from colonial influence. Living in their primitive state, under their own systems of order.

What if we were to ask them what 'truths' are relevant to their reality?

What is defined as 'real' is in abstract allegory, with the sole purpose of creating a condition in us to conform to Empirical structure. Reality for an individual in it's most primordial state, is nothing more than an interpretation of electrical signals.

Yes for the individual it is the interpretation of electrical signals but therefore is there not a reality beyond the individual, if your last statement is true then aren't electric signals real and therefore constituting an objective reality beyond what the individual may subjectively experience, an ultimate reality.

Does the universe exist outside and independent of the human consciousness?

 

[New Age United]

We are more than animal's my friend, we are the most precious, intricate forms of life in existence. We are an expression of nature, it's own creation to observe and understand itself. None of us are above or below each other my mate.

Are we really above or below the animals, just because we may be more intricate and evolved in the brain does not make us more precious. I think that is a natural thing to look at your own species as the most important, and of course I would in a life threatening situation I would be far more concerned with the life of a human than the life of an animal, but it's still just the human perspective.

I completely agree with the rest of your post.

In what way are we more precious?

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

Are we really above or below the animals, just because we may be more intricate and evolved in the brain does not make us more precious. I think that is a natural thing to look at your own species as the most important, and of course I would in a life threatening situation I would be far more concerned with the life of a human than the life of an animal, but it's still just the human perspective.

I completely agree with the rest of your post.

Yes I consider this a lot. I mean the lions hunt the weak for food. We raise livestock for the same. The male lions battle for territory. Humans go to war. I honestly don't think humans are all the intelligent. I mean we do great things but also, civilization is just a not very civil. But, we should focus on taking advantage of our limited time. And not dwell on our animalistic nature.

 

[Darth Vapour]

to think there is life after death as many claim ( After life ) if find it rather hilarious only in religion will they use both the now and the after life for there benefits
I love it when you here yeah i was floating above my body and saw family on hall way etc hahaha ,, there was such a great light i tell yeah was i ever stoned lol..
Truth is and hate to say it there is fuck all on the other side no god , heaven absolutely Fuck all hate to break the news ..
Only light you see or memories is from your brain flashing signals fighting for its life as 02 is depleted , once that brain dies ,, light is out all your memories are lost and you are nothing
Ashes to ashes dust to dust..
But remember to give your pastor some money and pray to god for his sins lol sure the fuck not your sins

 

[New Age United]

to think there is life after death as many claim ( After life ) if find it rather hilarious only in religion will they use both the now and the after life for there benefits
I love it when you here yeah i was floating above my body and saw family on hall way etc hahaha ,, there was such a great light i tell yeah was i ever stoned lol..
Truth is and hate to say it there is fuck all on the other side no god , heaven absolutely Fuck all hate to break the news ..
Only light you see or memories is from your brain flashing signals fighting for its life as 02 is depleted , one that brain dies ,, light is out all your memories are lost and you are nothing
Ashes to ashes dust to dust

Why should anyone believe that death will be any different than it was in the year 1800, not even black, absolute nothingness.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

to think there is life after death as many claim ( After life ) if find it rather hilarious only in religion will they use both the now and the after life for there benefits
I love it when you here yeah i was floating above my body and saw family on hall way etc hahaha ,, there was such a great light i tell yeah was i ever stoned lol..
Truth is and hate to say it there is fuck all on the other side no god , heaven absolutely Fuck all hate to break the news ..
Only light you see or memories is from your brain flashing signals fighting for its life as 02 is depleted , once that brain dies ,, light is out all your memories are lost and you are nothing
Ashes to ashes dust to dust..
But remember to give your pastor some money and pray to god for his sins lol sure the fuck not your sins

I have a personal relationship with what I perceive as a higher power. Or God. Not in the conventional sense of heaven and hell. But, when I pray I ask God to help me Be better. To be humble. To be kind. To be understanding.

I don't consider my relationship as a means to immortality as is taught. I've seen much death in my loves ones. People I loved who were taken before their time. Yet, that is my perception. I have no idea what "time" is perfect. We should embrace these moments. I don't fear death much, cause I've lived a very adventurous life. I already feel the pains as my body gets older and the machine wears down. And my mind is certainly not as sharp as it once was. I feel there could be conscience after life. Maybe. I am not committed to the idea. Maybe. My religion simply tells me peace and love to all. I pray so I don't hate. Even when done wrong.

 

[Darth Vapour]

Why should anyone believe that death will be any different than it was in the year 1800, not even black, absolute nothingness.

Death is another reason for the strength in the beliefs of religion. The vast majority of people are naturally afraid of death, it is the normal fear of the unknown. By its very nature we can never gain knowledge of what may befall us after death, it is our worst nightmare come true. We all know for certain that we will die but do not know when, how or why. Religion is there to comfort us on our trip into the great unknown, all will be well, in fact it will be far better than anything you could possibly imagine. Now that's a really good sales pitch, work on people's fears then sell them the solution. Its like showing a potential customer some really dreadful photographs of fire damaged houses then selling them a dozen smoke alarms.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

Death is another reason for the strength in the beliefs of religion. The vast majority of people are naturally afraid of death, it is the normal fear of the unknown. By its very nature we can never gain knowledge of what may befall us after death, it is our worst nightmare come true. We all know for certain that we will die but do not know when, how or why. Religion is there to comfort us on our trip into the great unknown, all will be well, in fact it will be far better than anything you could possibly imagine. Now that's a really good sales pitch, work on people's fears then sell them the solution. Its like showing a potential customer some really dreadful photographs of fire damaged houses then selling them a dozen smoke alarms.

I disagree. Religion is to help in this right now. To help us deal with pain and confusion. We pray right now for comfort. I do anyway. I don't do organized religion. People should worship if they choose in quiet. The subject of religion itself leads to conflict. I don't think that is true religion. Religion should be kind and gentle. Not war material.

 

[Darth Vapour]

As for the holy bible, its just a book like any other, it contains pages of printed text bound together. It does not possess any mystical power of course, any more than a daily newspaper. The content, however, is interesting in what it claims. It was once held as containing the absolute truth, but even this is being challenged.We no longer believe that the world was created in a few days. Modern church leaders are also saying that Mary, mother of Jesus, was not reallya virgin, and so on. Back in the past people did genuinely believe the bible was 'gospel' and beyond question, but times, fortunately, have changed. The bible is being 'updated' so that it will again be acceptable to today's society. But is it really meaningful, can it be held up as 'proof' that God exists? No, of course not, we all know that, I may as well hold up a copy of 'UFO News" as 'proof' of the existence of flying saucers.

In all discussions on Christianity, I know that at some point someone will start to quote at me from the bible to back-up their argument. I really wish they wouldn't bother, its meaningless to do so, because it requires that the bible be accepted as hard evidence, and as we have seen it quite simply isn't so. The bible can be interpreted any way you want, so why bother? And precisely how accurate are the stories in it anyway?

 

[Darth Vapour]

All religion is nothing more than an attempt to control a population by enforcing 'laws' that come from a higher authority that is beyond challenge, It is used as an extremely powerful tool to keep people 'in line'. It is particularly useful in circumstances where the population are under duress, be it poverty, starvation, tyranny. whatever, because then the powers that rule will assure you that you must accept your lot, lead a good life, don't rock the boat and cause any trouble, and you will be rewarded in the next life. Oh, good. The more you apply cold logic to it, the more senseless and totally meaningless the whole charade becomes, except as a means of control.

Imagine for a minute that you are God with all his unlimited powers.

1) You decide that for some reason that the people on planet Earth need guidance for their own good. Do you

(a) Appear before one person in a vision, give them secret instructions and hope they pass it on correctly and don't take liberties, or

(b) Appear before the masses and tell them direct, thereby proving your existence beyond doubt and at the same time ensuring that they get the right message.

2) You wish to have your laws continued forever. Do you

a) Tell them once and disappear for a couple of thousand years or more, or

(b) Make regular appearances to reinforce belief.

3) You care for these people, so when you see things going terribly wrong, do you

a) Sit back and watch the fun, or

(b) Step in again with some timely advice.

4) You have unlimited powers, you can create the world any way you want. Do you

(a) Make the climate changeable and unpredictable resulting in the deaths of millions due to drought, floods, heat waves etc. Or

(b) Create a stable climate so that the population can grow their crops and feed themselves.

For all questions answered (a), Really bad idea, award yourself nil points. For all answers (b), Well done! good choice, you get full marks. So why do we have all the above wrong answer situations in the world and none of the good answers? If you believe there is a God, how do you answer that? Why would He act in such an uncaring and nonsensical way? Please do not reply with that old standby phrase reserved for all tricky questions, 'God's work is beyond our understanding'. You can bet your life it is! Given unlimited powers any one of us could make a much better job of it.