Do you believe the gov. should have the right to impose seat belt laws?

Do you believe the gov. should have the legal authority to enact and enforce seatbelt laws?

  • Yes, I believe the gov. should have the legal authority to enact and enforce seat belt laws

    Votes: 5 22.7%

  • No, I do not believe the gov. should have the legal authority to enact and enforce seat belt laws

    Votes: 15 68.2%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Total voters
    22
NoDrama said:
If not for public safety then why is MJ illegal, Oh wait, its for people's safety.

Whoops you got that one wrong.
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What? You clearly have not been paying attention. I think it's stupid that marijuana is illegal. In fact, I think all natural substances should be completely legal. When public safety becomes a concern, we should reevaluate and consider laws protecting public safety.
 
see4 said:
Prohibition of marijuana and enacting laws that protects lives and save money are not even remotely the same concept..
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So the prohibition of marijuana was for what purpose then?

No doubt you think its a dumb law, as do I, but you said it wasn't made illegal for fear of people's health and safety, now provide evidence of that claim please.
 
I was in a nasty crash. A seatbelt would have killed me. I was in the rear seat behind the driver and we spun into a pole. The pole hit my door and pushed it in. If i was restrained i would have been crushed by the door.
 
mollymcgrammar said:
I was in a nasty crash. A seatbelt would have killed me. I was in the rear seat behind the driver and we spun into a pole. The pole hit my door and pushed it in. If i was restrained i would have been crushed by the door.
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Sure, there are an occasional situation where seat belt use is harmful.

We should make a law making seat belts illegal so that they can never harm anyone ever again.
 
NoDrama said:
Sure, there are an occasional situation where seat belt use is harmful.

We should make a law making seat belts illegal so that they can never harm anyone ever again.
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How about we let people make their own decision. What happened to me was a rare occurance but if i buckled up because i was afraid of a ticket i wouldn't be here now. Seatbelts are good.... Usually.
 
NoDrama said:
I'm not against wearing seat belts, I am against government telling us that we must wear one "Just in case" something bad happens.

If government can make a law that forces your behavior to change in the mere sense of a possibility of an accident happening, then they can make a law forcing you to do ANYTHING. They can make a law saying you can no longer climb trees for fear of falling out or a law that says you can't walk barefoot in your own home for fear of stubbing your toe. At what point do people start taking responsibility for themselves and their choices? When laws are made in the face of only possibilities and not facts, then we are doomed to be coddled to death.
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OK, fine. You don't like the law. Too bad for you.

So then you put forth a ridiculous situation about nanny state laws against stubbing toes, which underlines my point that you don't have a clue. The seat belt was put into place because it was cost effective, not to coddle anybody.

NoDrama said:
Code? No, code is DIFFERENT than safety testing, don't you know the difference? Electricians have to install according to CODE, but no items are written into the electrical CODE.

As far as regulations requiring testing?

There is no legislation mandating certification by UL or any other agency, public or private, prior to sale of consumer electrical goods in the US. PERIOD.
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Goddamit you are stupid. The National Electrical Code (NEC), or NFPA 70, is a regionally adoptable standard for the safe installation of electrical wiring and equipment in the United States. It is part of the National Fire Codes series published by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), a private trade association.[1] Despite the use of the term "national", it is not a federal law. It is typically adopted by states and municipalities in an effort to standardize their enforcement of safe electrical practices.[2] In some cases, the NEC is amended, altered and may even be rejected in lieu of regional regulations as voted on by local governing bodies.

So what if there is no federal law. Electrical fire and product safety codes are enforced and adopted at other levels of government and industry. UL is a third party testing organization that also verifies these codes are met. They then provide product manufacturers access to their seal and certification, for a fee. Why do you hate this?

It is cost effective to prevent harm from dangerous products compared to responding to the event of one. Do you disagree with this?
 
mollymcgrammar said:
How about we let people make their own decision. What happened to me was a rare occurance but if i buckled up because i was afraid of a ticket i wouldn't be here now. Seatbelts are good.... Usually.
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So there we have it. You aren't forced to buckle up, you can opt not to. Running the risk of a ticket or perhaps severe injury due to collision is completely up to you. Of course it was the driver that would have gotten the ticket but whatever.
 
Fogdog said:
So there we have it. You aren't forced to buckle up, you can opt not to. Running the risk of a ticket or perhaps severe injury due to collision is completely up to you. Of course it was the driver that would have gotten the ticket but whatever.
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In my locality they ticket the driver if its a minor, but if its an adult passenger, the passenger gets the ticket. I forget how much the fine is but its not alot.
 
NoDrama said:
So the prohibition of marijuana was for what purpose then?

No doubt you think its a dumb law, as do I, but you said it wasn't made illegal for fear of people's health and safety, now provide evidence of that claim please.
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Australia was devastated back in the day,...member the book from the doc ? What we think hasn't been, has, the Co, Wa. tests have been done and the data is not good. Way back then, they knew better, today we don`t.
 
mollymcgrammar said:
In my locality they ticket the driver if its a minor, but if its an adult passenger, the passenger gets the ticket. I forget how much the fine is but its not alot.
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The fine here It's 10 bucks.
The real value of the law Is Another excuse to pull you over.
It's that one or an air freshener hanging from the mirror
 
NoDrama said:
So the prohibition of marijuana was for what purpose then?

No doubt you think its a dumb law, as do I, but you said it wasn't made illegal for fear of people's health and safety, now provide evidence of that claim please.
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No I never made such claim. My contention is that it was made illegal because the government could not figure out a way to profit from it, and the government needed a way to control the black population. Knowing that much of the known marijuana use was "rampant" within the black communities, they used marijuana as a tool to target them.

In no way do I argue that our government is all good and all knowing. Most of the time they get it wrong. But to compare the legality of marijuana use and seat belt laws, as Rob did, is just weak argument.
 
see4 said:
No I never made such claim. My contention is that it was made illegal because the government could not figure out a way to profit from it, and the government needed a way to control the black population. Knowing that much of the known marijuana use was "rampant" within the black communities, they used marijuana as a tool to target them.

In no way do I argue that our government is all good and all knowing. Most of the time they get it wrong. But to compare the legality of marijuana use and seat belt laws, as Rob did, is just weak argument.
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Blacks was the cocaine
Mexicans was the weed
And if course opium was the Chinese.
All racism motivated laws.
 
ChesusRice said:
Blacks was the cocaine
Mexicans was the weed
And if course opium was the Chinese.
All racism motivated laws.
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Reefer Madness. Anti-pot & anti-black.
And unsurprisingly -- Originally financed by a church group under the title Tell Your Children, the film was intended to be shown to parents as a morality tale attempting to teach them about the dangers of cannabis use.[5]
 
see4 said:
No I never made such claim. My contention is that it was made illegal because the government could not figure out a way to profit from it, and the government needed a way to control the black population. Knowing that much of the known marijuana use was "rampant" within the black communities, they used marijuana as a tool to target them.

In no way do I argue that our government is all good and all knowing. Most of the time they get it wrong. But to compare the legality of marijuana use and seat belt laws, as Rob did, is just weak argument.
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and don't forget, slavery
 
see4 said:
Reefer Madness. Anti-pot & anti-black.
And unsurprisingly -- Originally financed by a church group under the title Tell Your Children, the film was intended to be shown to parents as a morality tale attempting to teach them about the dangers of cannabis use.[5]
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It was a good excuse to show racy women.
Sort of like the 60s porn labeled "educational "
 
NoDrama said:
Sorry, people don't make good decisions, government on the other hand makes 100% correct decisions all the time, just ask a liberal. ergo, government should make all your decisions for you.
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Completely, in its entirety, baseless in fact.
 
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