Legal to grow and possess illegal to sell

[Rob Roy]

Strawman
Weak very weak

You seem to hold an authoritarian point of view and believe that a persons natural right to self determination can somehow be given away by others. That is evidenced in your proposed Prohibition lite "legalization" scenario.

Would you care to address why you believe you don't have the right to engage in free trade with those that will do so with you on a consensual basis?

 

[ChesusRice]

You seem to hold an authoritarian point of view and believe that a persons natural right to self determination can somehow be given away by others. That is evidenced in your proposed Prohibition lite "legalization" scenario.

Would you care to address why you believe you don't have the right to engage in free trade with those that will do so with you on a consensual basis?

Back to strawman

 

[Rob Roy]

What you haven't acknowledged is additional costs of full legalization beyond licensing.
USDA inspections
DEA/FDA compliance
IRS/ATF compliance
Labeling requirements
Lab testing
Production facility inspections And after you have spent the half million meeting all theses Demands. Phillip Morris puts there super weed out there and has their lobbyists get legislation making it even more expensive for you while at the same time selling weed that is cheaper and more potent than anything you could possibly come up with

What you haven't acknowledged is many of theses things are a scam, all are vestiges of a command model and are just part of the parasite apparatus that grew around prohibition. They should be abolished and weed should be freed, completely, to a free market.

If consumers want some kind of certification or endorsement of quality with their weed, then it can arise from a free market. Ever hear of E-BAY or Amazon and seen how effective feedback can be to police a given market? A quality feedback system can be good, but it doesn't have to be monopolistic and coercion based, since that leads to sloth and protectionism rather than value.

Bureaucratic Parasites are just an outgrowth of prohibition, throw those fuckers out too. Any good they provide can be replicated by a truly free market in action. The bad they provide can be left behind, know why? In a free market service providers are rewarded for innovation and service, but are not rewarded for unnecessary add-ons which the market rejects, if there is competition allowed that is.

I also just realized, you will have no idea what I'm talking about, sorry to trouble your pea brain. May your chains rest lightly upon you, Prohibitionist.

 

[ChesusRice]

What you haven't acknowledged is many of theses things are a scam, all are vestiges of a command model and are just part of the parasite apparatus that grew around prohibition. They should be abolished and weed should be freed, completely, to a free market.

If consumers want some kind of certification or endorsement of quality with their weed, then it can arise from a free market. Ever hear of E-BAY or Amazon and seen how effective feedback can be to police a given market? A quality feedback system can be good, but it doesn't have to be monopolistic and coercion based, since that leads to sloth and protectionism rather than value.

Bureaucratic Parasites are just an outgrowth of prohibition, throw those fuckers out too. Any good they provide can be replicated by a truly free market in action. The bad they provide can be left behind, know why? In a free market service providers are rewarded for innovation and service, but are not rewarded for unnecessary add-ons which the market rejects, if there is competition allowed that is.

I also just realized, you will have no idea what I'm talking about, sorry to trouble your pea brain. May your chains rest lightly upon you, Prohibitionist.

We all know what you are talking about.
Face it no one likes your form of freedom

And yet another strawman

 

[mollymcgrammar]

What you haven't acknowledged is many of theses things are a scam, all are vestiges of a command model and are just part of the parasite apparatus that grew around prohibition. They should be abolished and weed should be freed, completely, to a free market.

If consumers want some kind of certification or endorsement of quality with their weed, then it can arise from a free market. Ever hear of E-BAY or Amazon and seen how effective feedback can be to police a given market? A quality feedback system can be good, but it doesn't have to be monopolistic and coercion based, since that leads to sloth and protectionism rather than value.

Bureaucratic Parasites are just an outgrowth of prohibition, throw those fuckers out too. Any good they provide can be replicated by a truly free market in action. The bad they provide can be left behind, know why? In a free market service providers are rewarded for innovation and service, but are not rewarded for unnecessary add-ons which the market rejects, if there is competition allowed that is.

I also just realized, you will have no idea what I'm talking about, sorry to trouble your pea brain. May your chains rest lightly upon you, Prohibitionist.

Dude.... Your lack of intelligence is actually hurting me.

In a perfect world you might be right, but you must have forgot this is America... If the Fed isnt getting a cut, its not happening. If its gunna hurt the chances of the 1% cashing in, the laws will be lobbied out. If you think your vote matters, well your a bigger idiot than i thought.

Start voting independent, get rid of both major political parties and then..... Maybe you idead might be valid.

 

[Rob Roy]

Dude.... Your lack of intelligence is actually hurting me.

In a perfect world you might be right, but you must have forgot this is America... If the Fed isnt getting a cut, its not happening. If its gunna hurt the chances of the 1% cashing in, the laws will be lobbied out. If you think your vote matters, well your a bigger idiot than i thought.

Start voting independent, get rid of both major political parties and then..... Maybe you idead might be valid.

There are many responses I could come up with, but I'm afraid not many of them are polite, so I'll refrain and let the brilliance of your stunning intellect gather steam and thunder down upon us from high atop Dolt Mountain.

 

[ChesusRice]

Dude.... Your lack of intelligence is actually hurting me.

In a perfect world you might be right, but you must have forgot this is America... If the Fed isnt getting a cut, its not happening. If its gunna hurt the chances of the 1% cashing in, the laws will be lobbied out. If you think your vote matters, well your a bigger idiot than i thought.

Start voting independent, get rid of both major political parties and then..... Maybe you idead might be valid.

Voting is a form of slavery.
Why are you a slave master

 

[ChesusRice]

There are many responses I could come up with, but I'm afraid not many of them are polite, so I'll refrain and let the brilliance of your stunning intellect gather steam and thunder down upon us from high atop Dolt Mountain.

Ad hominen

 

[Rob Roy]

We all know what you are talking about.
Face it no one likes your form of freedom

And yet another strawman

I'm not surprised you don't like my form of freedom. You are a Prohibitionist, the evidence of that is right in your proposed law.

If you think a permission based "legality" is a solution, you don't understand the root cause of the problem, which is the idea that some people can control other peaceful people in the first place. THAT is what needs resolution. Your idea is simply polishing the turd, mine flushes the turd.

Your proposal wants to use the law to create a protected class and to artificially control prices and protect a market. You only see what is and then you limit your so-called solutions within those confines, like a rat that thinks the maze is all there is.

Get outside your box, that's where freedom is. Or enjoy the maze and the occasional piece of cheese your master "allows" you to have.

 

[ChesusRice]

I'm not surprised you don't like my form of freedom. You are a Prohibitionist, the evidence of that is right in your proposed law.

If you think a permission based "legality" is a solution, you don't understand the root cause of the problem, which is the idea that some people can control other peaceful people in the first place. THAT is what needs resolution. Your idea is simply polishing the turd, mine flushes the turd.

Your proposal wants to use the law to create a protected class and to artificially control prices and protect a market. You only see what is and then you limit your so-called solutions within those confines, like a rat that thinks the maze is all there is.

Get outside your box, that's where freedom is. Or enjoy the maze and the occasional piece of cheese your master "allows" you to have.

Strawman
Ad hominen

 

[Rob Roy]

Ad hominen

It was a little harsh, but you might note it was a reasonably defensive response to his impolite retort. I'm happy to engage people politely if they reciprocate. The back and forth you and I engage in first started with your impoliteness a year or two ago. At any time you wish that to stop, it could.

I'd still disagree with your Prohibitionists ideas, but our discussion tone would be different.

 

[ChesusRice]

It was a little harsh, but you might note it was a reasonably defensive response to his impolite retort. I'm happy to engage people politely if they reciprocate. The back and forth you and I engage in first started with your impoliteness a year or two ago. At any time you wish that to stop, it could.

I'd still disagree with your Prohibitionists ideas, but our discussion tone would be different.

Ad hominem
Reducto absurdia
No one wants to talk to you Rob

 

[Rob Roy]

Back to strawman

No, I asked a question about your proposed law and how you reconcile including a prohibition within the law, then out of the other side of your mouth make the claim you are not advocating a law with prohibition within it.

The onus is on you, to unravel your obvious contradiction sir.

 

[ChesusRice]

No, I asked a question about your proposed law and how you reconcile including a prohibition within the law, then out of the other side of your mouth make the claim you are not advocating a law with prohibition within it.

The onus is on you, to unravel your obvious contradiction sir.

As stated numerous times
This law It's better than what we have Now.

 

[Rob Roy]

As stated numerous times
This law It's better than what we have Now.

Yet, it still contains prohibitions within it, and arises from the assumption that we must have permission to engage in something that is a right.

Shuffling around and not looking massa in the eye, might keep you from getting beaten, but it won't bring you freedom.

 

[ChesusRice]

Yet, it still contains prohibitions within it, and arises from the assumption that we must have permission to engage in something that is a right.

Shuffling around and not looking massa in the eye, might keep you from getting beaten, but it won't bring you freedom.

Back to strawman

 

[Rob Roy]

Back to strawman

Are you saying your idea does not endorse some form of prohibition or are you still going to keep your head in the sand on that one and run from your own proposal, Prohibitionist?

 

[ChesusRice]

Are you saying your idea does not endorse some form of prohibition or are you still going to keep your head in the sand on that one and run from your own proposal, Prohibitionist?

Legal to grow and possess illegal to sell
Current law everything is illegal.
Why do you build so many strawmen?

Answer this. Can a 13 year old consent to sex with a adult?

Don't run from the question. You have stated that the answer it's yes.

 

[sheskunk]

Colorado.

/thread

 

[ChesusRice]

Colorado.

/thread

Washington DC
Spain
Et al