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Legal to grow and possess illegal to sell

see4

see4

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spandy said:
I don't answer questions, I don't consent to searches, am I free to go...officer?
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You watch too many youtube videos of people "trying" to pull that off. Much of the time it doesn't work out. If you've done something wrong, you're going down.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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ChesusRice said:
You obviously can't read.
And when you say nobody agrees with my position does nobody include the country of Spain and city of Washington DC?
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You still act like you have to placate some master to manipulate the system to get the scraps you want from the table.

I say make it legal and you say you cant because the people you elected wont let you??? Maybe that is the real problem...
 
mollymcgrammar

mollymcgrammar

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NLXSK1 said:
You still act like you have to placate some master to manipulate the system to get the scraps you want from the table.

I say make it legal and you say you cant because the people you elected wont let you??? Maybe that is the real problem...
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I think i would actually prefer spains system over what is going on in Colorado or some other states.

I live in PA and we had a medical bill thats keeps going up for vote. Its a fucking joke.

It allows 65 grower in the state and only the rich will be able to afford a license. No buds allowed as meds, strictly extracts and oils.

If that got passed the market would be monopolized by the time we get a real bill.

The same think is happening in other states, people with tons of money using it to produce mass products and are flooding markets making it harder for the small growers to make a legal dollar. I am all about free market but its not right that license fees and startup costs are so high that average joe cant even try.

If a reasonable bill gets passed here in PA i might sell my company to invest in a legal grow op. I have the property to do it something crazy outdoors, and with the money i could get for my current buisness im sure i could do a nice perpetual harvest indoor grow too. But im not paying 10s of thousands on licensing alone. Plus annual renewal fees, insurance, payroll, and so on.... The current bill as its written id need close to a million bucks for startup costs, and a cash reserve for protection.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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NLXSK1 said:
You still act like you have to placate some master to manipulate the system to get the scraps you want from the table.

I say make it legal and you say you cant because the people you elected wont let you??? Maybe that is the real problem...
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Its easy to agree with you or @Rob Roy and go off to smoke a joint. Nothing of course would get done.

MJ should be legalized and people that want to get high from it or use it medicinally should be left alone. IMO, legalize all other drugs for that matter. It should be totally up to the individual adult what to put into their bodies. Take the dollars spent on enforcement and incarceration and put it into programs that will actually help addicts that want treatment to get off the drugs. Or into programs that educate and prevent harm from MJ and other drug abuse in adults and children.

But this is all just meaningless speech from a soap box. MJ users are a minority in this country and the majority (about 75%) are leery and ignorant about this drug. The MJ using minority has to recognize this and work with everybody else. The tide is turning and now a majority in this country are favorable towards decriminalizing MJ. As shown in CO, WA and OR, a lot of work has to be done to figure out how to meet the needs and mainly unjustified concerns of non-users while meeting the demands of the MJ marketplace in order to move the decriminalization needle a little bit towards sanity. The status quo isn't acceptable to anybody and total deregulation isn't acceptable to the majority in this country, not even within the communty of MJ users. So we have to find a middle ground or the status quo prevails.

I think @ChesusRice proposes something in the middle ground that should be looked into. From my perspective, Oregon's law allowing four plants and not more than 4 oz in possession for personal use is an unreasonable constraint but I'm glad to have it. The commercial sales and distribution side of Oregon's laws are hopelessly complex due to the federal position on MJ as a schedule 1 drug. In time, we can work towards a more open policy but its a start.
 
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ChesusRice

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Fogdog said:
I think @ChesusRice proposes something in the middle ground that should be looked into. From my perspective, Oregon's law allowing four plants and not more than 4 oz in possession for personal use is an unreasonable constraint but I'm glad to have it. The commercial sales and distribution side of Oregon's laws are hopelessly complex due to the federal position on MJ as a schedule 1 drug. In time, we can work towards a more open policy but its a start.
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What I propose is the simplest fastest way to legalization in most states that have zero legalization.
It forgoes regulation, and placates those who equate marijuana with criminality.
It also keeps the government and unscrupulous business's at bay because 0$ = 0 interest

And honestly you would have to be pretty fucking stupid to get busted for selling pot. Simply possessing it would be legal, the cops would have to actually witness a transfer of money to make an arrest
 
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ChesusRice

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mollymcgrammar said:
I think i would actually prefer spains system over what is going on in Colorado or some other states.

I live in PA and we had a medical bill thats keeps going up for vote. Its a fucking joke.

It allows 65 grower in the state and only the rich will be able to afford a license. No buds allowed as meds, strictly extracts and oils.

If that got passed the market would be monopolized by the time we get a real bill.

The same think is happening in other states, people with tons of money using it to produce mass products and are flooding markets making it harder for the small growers to make a legal dollar. I am all about free market but its not right that license fees and startup costs are so high that average joe cant even try.

If a reasonable bill gets passed here in PA i might sell my company to invest in a legal grow op. I have the property to do it something crazy outdoors, and with the money i could get for my current buisness im sure i could do a nice perpetual harvest indoor grow too. But im not paying 10s of thousands on licensing alone. Plus annual renewal fees, insurance, payroll, and so on.... The current bill as its written id need close to a million bucks for startup costs, and a cash reserve for protection.
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What you haven't acknowledged is additional costs of full legalization beyond licensing.
USDA inspections
DEA/FDA compliance
IRS/ATF compliance
Labeling requirements
Lab testing
Production facility inspections And after you have spent the half million meeting all theses Demands. Phillip Morris puts there super weed out there and has their lobbyists get legislation making it even more expensive for you while at the same time selling weed that is cheaper and more potent than anything you could possibly come up with
 
mollymcgrammar

mollymcgrammar

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Once again.... Just take a look across the pond at Spain. They are doing just fine.

Sure id love legal sales of weed, but not if it means that it just makes rich folks richer.

Id love to have it treated like corn, or tomatoes where it could be sold at farmers markets by anyone with a green thumb.... But thats unrealistic.
 
mollymcgrammar

mollymcgrammar

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ChesusRice said:
What you haven't acknowledged is additional costs of full legalization beyond licensing.
USDA inspections
DEA/FDA compliance
IRS/ATF compliance
Labeling requirements
Lab testing
Production facility inspections And after you have spent the half million meeting all theses Demands. Phillip Morris puts there super weed out there and has their lobbyists get legislation making it even more expensive for you while at the same time selling weed that is cheaper and more potent than anything you could possibly come up with
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I may not have mentioned them specifically but they were a part of the million dollar estimate.
 
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ChesusRice

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mollymcgrammar said:
Once again.... Just take a look across the pond at Spain. They are doing just fine.

Sure id love legal sales of weed, but not if it means that it just makes rich folks richer.

Id love to have it treated like corn, or tomatoes where it could be sold at farmers markets by anyone with a green thumb.... But thats unrealistic.
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Who says it cannot be sold at farmers markets?
Buy my Heirloom tomotoe for 25 bucks and I will throw in a FREE 1/4 ounce of bud
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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mollymcgrammar said:
So let them breed and sell clones or seeds, or start a company that builds custom grow rooms. Lots of other ways to cash in.
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Doesn`t ..."cash in" relate to sell ? But, "I`ll grow it and you can have the bud as long as I keep the stocks", aint a bad trade off.
 
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