Legal to grow and possess illegal to sell

[Rob Roy]

If you don't sell it, it doesn't need regulation.

Once it goes commercial it's over

Hello, we're here from the Department of Redundancy Department. I'm special agent Circular Logic.

Yes what do you want?

We want to prohibit selling something in order to prevent prohibition.

Oh, I thought you were here to perform the head extraction.

 

[TheHermit]

If you don't sell it, it doesn't need regulation.

Once it goes commercial it's over

Fair enough. All I really want is to be able to grow without having to deal with inspections, fees and regulations for something that is hurting no one in the privacy of my own home. I guess it is a step up from going to jail, but it still isn't right. I can understand commercial, most businesses do have to deal with that sort of thing.

 

[Rob Roy]

Fair enough. All I really want is to be able to grow without having to deal with inspections, fees and regulations for something that is hurting no one in the privacy of my own home. I guess it is a step up from going to jail, but it still isn't right. I can understand commercial, most businesses do have to deal with that sort of thing.

The problem is in a restricted market, the consumer is held captive and the restrictions / prohibitions cause an artificial price to be held in place...forcefully. That is no way to "free the weed", it is a funnel for some people to profit from legislation and potentially criminalize others for engaging in a peaceful transaction.

The best thing to do is for government to butt the fuck out, period, release all the pot prisoners, fire all the government parasites that feast on peaceful people and let freedom of choice be the default plan.

 

[TheHermit]

The problem is in a restricted market, the consumer is held captive and the restrictions / prohibitions cause an artificial price to be held in place...forcefully. That is no way to "free the weed", it is a funnel for some people to profit from legislation and potentially criminalize others for engaging in a peaceful transaction.

The best thing to do is for government to butt the fuck out, period, release all the pot prisoners, fire all the government parasites that feast on peaceful people and let freedom of choice be the default plan.

Sounds like what we have coming on the ballot in Ohio. I am against it, but I seem to be in the minority among smokers. Most just want legalization and they don't care how.

But I can understand a certain degree of regulation on commercial sales for something people are ingesting into their bodies. I would consider it a consumer safety issue.

 

[BDOGKush]

They're trying to pass a bill in AZ where you'd be required to have a business license to sell. No license = felony distribution. They will also allow communities like HOAs to declare marijuana cultivation a nuisance and prohibit it. Possession over an ounce would also still be a felony.

Essentially they want the rich to continue getting rich, while the rest of us still face jail time over a plant.

 

[ricky1lung]

It is a non toxic plant. Why does it need regulation? Laws should be for safety and well being, not controlling people's harmless vices.

Selling moldy weed or laced with chemicals could prove toxic.
Yes, regulate just like anything else.

OR

Put your trust into an anarchist who believes they're enslaved because there are laws and regulations in place to keep society somewhat safe from fuck nuts who don't have a clue and may think they can do any harm to others they wish cause the man, damn the man, that damn man.

 

[Rob Roy]

Selling moldy weed or laced with chemicals could prove toxic.
Yes, regulate just like anything else.

OR

Put your trust into an anarchist who believes they're enslaved because there are laws and regulations in place to keep society somewhat safe from fuck nuts who don't have a clue and may think they can do any harm to others they wish cause the man, damn the man, that damn man.

False dichotomy. Regulations do not prevent moldy weed etc.

In the absence of regulation and in the presence of regulation there will be unscrupulous people. How to resolve that is a good question, but the solution isn't to jail people who aren't unscrupulous for trading in a consenting way with others that want to with them.

Laws that put people in jail for peacefully interacting with another willing ready and able customer are not protecting anybody, they are however affronting people and making criminals out of them for peaceful activity.

 

[TheHermit]

I am talking about regulation for homegrow. I can understand regulation for commercial. I'm talking about registration, inspection, fees, plant counts, etc for something that I am doing as a hobby. Do homebrewers have such regulations? Alcohol is far more dangerous.

 

[ChesusRice]

I don't agree with that form of legalization.

Instead of eliminating the black market, it bolsters it while continuing the war on drugs.

Making it commercial means regulating it beyond your ability to grow and sell it.

And the legislation I propose Legal to grow and possess illegal to sell is a much more palatable option in states where it is illegal for any possession.

 

[ChesusRice]

I am talking about regulation for homegrow. I can understand regulation for commercial. I'm talking about registration, inspection, fees, plant counts, etc for something that I am doing as a hobby. Do homebrewers have such regulations? Alcohol is far more dangerous.

YES and NO they do not have any regulations. With the exception to that they are limited to how many gallons per year they can produce.
They also cannot sell their homebrew.

 

[TheHermit]

But they do not have to register with the state and subject themselves to at will inspections from law enforcement.

 

[ChesusRice]

Exactly, because most wont be able to benefit from this free ride, because most wont offer free rides. Then we back to buying it from the street dealers at high costs.


And how long before some kids gets high from a free garden and gets killed? Murphy's Law says not long at all, and it will happen somewhere. Then there goes your free unregulated gardens.

It needs to be regulated out of the hands of our youth. Like alcohol and any of other drug, it can't just be dangling from a tree branch waiting for anyone to snag at their hearts desire.

LOL high costs my ass. If everyone and their brother is growing it, it wont cost shit.
Again how much does a LB of dandelions cost?

It's a fucking weed. You don't even need grow lights. You can get autoflowers now and grow them in your window

 

[ricky1lung]

False dichotomy. Regulations do not prevent moldy weed etc.

In the absence of regulation and in the presence of regulation there will be unscrupulous people. How to resolve that is a good question, but the solution isn't to jail people who aren't unscrupulous for trading in a consenting way with others that want to with them.

Laws that put people in jail for peacefully interacting with another willing ready and able customer are not protecting anybody, they are however affronting people and making criminals out of them for peaceful activity.

The solution isn't crying about laws changing in favour of cannabis users.
Rob, you can't have it both ways.

And now you suggest that regulation won't keep people safe. What the fuck man, give yer head a shake!

Regulation will keep more people safe than buying a dime bag from some degenerate. The degenerate doesn't have product being scientifically tested for quality.

Rob, your whole "I hate rules and I'm a slave" bullshit is just that, complete bullshit. Your life must be a series of days full of misery with your outlook.

Like I said before, find your lawless utopia and let us know where it is so we can choose to stay away from the lawless land of Rob Roy.

Enjoy the rape and pillaging while I stay home and enjoy my weed.

 

[ChesusRice]

But they do not have to register with the state and subject themselves to at will inspections from law enforcement.

Depends on which state.
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrewing-rights/statutes/

 

[TheHermit]

They're trying to pass a bill in AZ where you'd be required to have a business license to sell. No license = felony distribution. They will also allow communities like HOAs to declare marijuana cultivation a nuisance and prohibit it. Possession over an ounce would also still be a felony.

Essentially they want the rich to continue getting rich, while the rest of us still face jail time over a plant.

A crime should be a crime because it is a danger to society. People shouldn't go to jail over improper paperwork. I could see a fine, but not a felony. Are the licenses available to all or just a select few?

 

[ChesusRice]

A crime should be a crime because it is a danger to society. People shouldn't go to jail over improper paperwork. I could see a fine, but not a felony. Are the licenses available to all or just a select few?

How about if I sell you some weed? I had an aphid problem. Since neem doesn't work as well as either black flag or Raid. I used the later.
Enjoy smoking my weed it has an "extra" buzz now

 

[TheHermit]

Depends on which state.
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrewing-rights/statutes/

Good point, there are still a lot of puritanical states out there. I have never heard of anyone going to jail over homebrewing. I may be wrong though.

 

[ChesusRice]

Good point, there are still a lot of puritanical states out there. I have never heard of anyone going to jail over homebrewing. I may be wrong though.

If it is legal to grow. And they have a plant count (something I am against) then they need probable cause to come in and see how many plants you are growing. They cannot come in and just look.

 

[TheHermit]

How about if I sell you some weed? I had an aphid problem. Since neem doesn't work as well as either black flag or Raid. I used the later.
Enjoy smoking my weed it has an "extra" buzz now

Wouldn't the act of using poison be a crime in itself. Do they put people in jail for selling oranges by the freeway? They could potentially be doing the same thing.

 

[ChesusRice]

Wouldn't the act of using poison be a crime in itself. Do they put people in jail for selling oranges by the freeway? They could potentially be doing the same thing.

Yes they could. And selling oranges by the highway is illegal.