Dyna-Gro Experiment

[DirtyMcCurdy]

Was reading an old article the other day about adjusting npk ratios throughout the growth cycles. Basically the theory was/is that you just swing/switch nitrogen and phosphorus from veg to flower keeping potassium relatively the same ratio all through. Makes sense, right? Basically it is that simple when you think about it.

So it got me thinking a little bit and looking around at nutrients yet again, sigh. And was looking at dyna-gro and 3 of their products would almost fall perfectly into that theory of npk adjustment. Foliage pro 9-3-6 for veg, All pro 7-7-7 for transistion then ending with their bloom 3-12-6. You get the N for veg and P for flower, keeping K relatively the same.

I know theres a lot of people who will say duh, of course you adjust npk throughout the growth cycle. But you will also hear people who will swear by using one product all throughout. Whichever way, I like simplicity and the above mentioned method seems like a simple enough, and maybe effective, way to adjust npk ratios.

What do you all think? Pretty straight forward. Should work better than any one those products by themselves?

 

[homebrewer]

Do a side-by-side-by-side. Depending on your medium, the 7-7-7 and the foliage pro are likely going to outperform your varying NPK plant.

 

[DirtyMcCurdy]

Do a side-by-side-by-side. Depending on your medium, the 7-7-7 and the foliage pro are likely going to outperform your varying NPK plant.

Nobody better to have reply then the FP expert. Was kinda hoping you'd chime in. So you are saying run one or the other, as far as just foliage pro or just all pro? Or using those two to adjust npk? I do not buy into bloom booster or wild npks to promote flowering but surely there is something to be had from minor adjustments at a few different stages, then again maybe there isn't. I am by no means an expert on the topic.

My main concern with the FP is the high N ratio all through flower. I have problems as it is with nitrogen toxicity and getting "the claw" from time to time. I grow in coco so I don't need any extra K and I know people have been getting great results with low ratios of P. But again, that high N ratio... All throughout, Idk?

I'd love to do a side by side but I'm not the most organized with documentation lol. Maybe I'll try some plants with just FP, others with just AP then some that will go from FP to AP. That would be my mild npk drift test. Leaving out the bloom. Do you have any experience with the all pro? I know you know your foliage pro.

 

[homebrewer]

Nobody better to have reply then the FP expert. Was kinda hoping you'd chime in. So you are saying run one or the other, as far as just foliage pro or just all pro? Or using those two to adjust npk? I do not buy into bloom booster or wild npks to promote flowering but surely there is something to be had from minor adjustments at a few different stages, then again maybe there isn't. I am by no means an expert on the topic.

My main concern with the FP is the high N ratio all through flower. I have problems as it is with nitrogen toxicity and getting "the claw" from time to time. I grow in coco so I don't need any extra K and I know people have been getting great results with low ratios of P. But again, that high N ratio... All throughout, Idk?

I'd love to do a side by side but I'm not the most organized with documentation lol. Maybe I'll try some plants with just FP, others with just AP then some that will go from FP to AP. That would be my mild npk drift test. Leaving out the bloom. Do you have any experience with the all pro? I know you know your foliage pro.

For starters, I don't think bloom should be used at all in coco/promix/dirt.

The 7-7-7 and the 9-3-6 are going to perform similarly as I used to use their Grow at 7-9-5 and it did great. In regards to 'the claw', that's a dosage issue, not a NPK issue. I don't experience that issue and I use FP all the way through.

I don't think switching from the AP to FP or vice versa is going to make a noticeable difference but either formula from start to finish is going to do very well.

 

[DirtyMcCurdy]

For starters, I don't think bloom should be used at all in coco/promix/dirt.

The 7-7-7 and the 9-3-6 are going to perform similarly as I used to use their Grow at 7-9-5 and it did great. In regards to 'the claw', that's a dosage issue, not a NPK issue. I don't experience that issue and I use FP all the way through.

I don't think switching from the AP to FP or vice versa is going to make a noticeable difference but either formula from start to finish is going to do very well.

 

[DirtyMcCurdy]

For starters, I don't think bloom should be used at all in coco/promix/dirt.

The 7-7-7 and the 9-3-6 are going to perform similarly as I used to use their Grow at 7-9-5 and it did great. In regards to 'the claw', that's a dosage issue, not a NPK issue. I don't experience that issue and I use FP all the way through.

I don't think switching from the AP to FP or vice versa is going to make a noticeable difference but either formula from start to finish is going to do very well.

What do you run with the FP? Any supplements? What type of system do you grow in at the moment? I've tried looking back through some of your post/threads, probably didn't look far enough...

 

[homebrewer]

What do you run with the FP? Any supplements? What type of system do you grow in at the moment? I've tried looking back through some of your post/threads, probably didn't look far enough...

In addition to FP, I'll use a small amount of protekt. It's not needed but it's beneficial. I've also been experimenting with the use of floralicious plus in promix just during flowering.

 

[DirtyMcCurdy]

In addition to FP, I'll use a small amount of protekt. It's not needed but it's beneficial. I've also been experimenting with the use of floralicious plus in promix just during flowering.

Noticed any benefit with the floralicious plus? Or still to early to tell?

I will have to look around amazon for the FP and/or AP as my local hydro store only carries the grow 7-9-5. I picked up a little sample pack. Figure it couldn't hurt to finally give it a shot, at least on a couple plants.
The little tiny bottles lol. At least its pretty potent stuff.

 

[homebrewer]

Try the 7-9-5 from start to finish. If you like the results, look into FP or AP. I think their maintenance dose of 1/2 tsp/gal is a good starting point for flower. Maybe half that for veg? That little bottle should make you around 150 gallons of plant food, depending on how many veg and flowering plants you run.

 

[DirtyMcCurdy]

In addition to FP, I'll use a small amount of protekt. It's not needed but it's beneficial. I've also been experimenting with the use of floralicious plus in promix just during flowering.

Noticed any benefit with the floralicious plus? Or still to early to tell?

I will have to look around amazon for the FP and/or AP as my local hydro store only carries the grow 7-9-5. I picked up a little sample pack. Figure it couldn't hurt to finally give it a shot, at least on a couple plants.

Try the 7-9-5 from start to finish. If you like the results, look into FP or AP. I think their maintenance dose of 1/2 tsp/gal is a good starting point for flower. Maybe half that for veg? That little bottle should make you around 150 gallons of plant food, depending on how many veg and flowering plants you run.

Yeah, because of its concentration that little bottle is deceiving for sure. Especially since I run to waste. I will probably start at 1/4 tsp per gal and feed every watering then go up from there if needed.

Hope it performs well. We will see. I will probably still get a small bottle of the FP and AP. Really would like to see if I could run the 7-7-7 start to finish with good results. Seems like a good baseline that you could mildly adjust, if need be, with additives.

 

[homebrewer]

Noticed any benefit with the floralicious plus? Or still to early to tell?

It helps with aroma and flavor.

 

[DirtyMcCurdy]

It helps with aroma and flavor.

So I've heard. One hears a lot of "claims" these days. It's nice to know some hold water. There are good products out there however, there are a greater number of useless ones. That is one you do hear a lot of positives about. I like a few of GH's products. Liquid kool bloom is the one "booster" I will use in very moderate amounts from time to time. CaliMagic is another product of theirs I like.

 

[DirtyMcCurdy]

Up to 1 tsp/gal. Brings ppm to about 500. I've also observed that pro tekt hardly does jack to ppms? A little thrown by that...

I am adding 1 tsp dyna gro, 1/2 tsp pro tekt and 1/4 tsp per gallon. pH is around 5.9, which is a little higher then I normally run but running it as is without adding pH down. So far so good.

 

[homebrewer]

Up to 1 tsp/gal. Brings ppm to about 500. I've also observed that pro tekt hardly does jack to ppms? A little thrown by that...

I am adding 1 tsp dyna gro, 1/2 tsp pro tekt and 1/4 tsp per gallon. pH is around 5.9, which is a little higher then I normally run but running it as is without adding pH down. So far so good.

This is not what I recommended so if you're plants are burnt in a couple weeks, that's on you.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

Was reading an old article the other day about adjusting npk ratios throughout the growth cycles. Basically the theory was/is that you just swing/switch nitrogen and phosphorus from veg to flower keeping potassium relatively the same ratio all through. Makes sense, right? Basically it is that simple when you think about it.

So it got me thinking a little bit and looking around at nutrients yet again, sigh. And was looking at dyna-gro and 3 of their products would almost fall perfectly into that theory of npk adjustment. Foliage pro 9-3-6 for veg, All pro 7-7-7 for transistion then ending with their bloom 3-12-6. You get the N for veg and P for flower, keeping K relatively the same.

I know theres a lot of people who will say duh, of course you adjust npk throughout the growth cycle. But you will also hear people who will swear by using one product all throughout. Whichever way, I like simplicity and the above mentioned method seems like a simple enough, and maybe effective, way to adjust npk ratios.

What do you all think? Pretty straight forward. Should work better than any one those products by themselves?

Are you dyna-grow the patriots fan with that messed up sweater that used to troll me all the time?

Welcome back!

 

[DirtyMcCurdy]

This is not what I recommended so if you're plants are burnt in a couple weeks, that's on you.

Is that dose too hot? I figured 500 ppm would be a decent dose as long as I get a good amount of run-off.

 

[DirtyMcCurdy]

Are you dyna-grow the patriots fan with that messed up sweater that used to troll me all the time?

Welcome back!

No idea what you're talking about?...

 

[homebrewer]

No idea what you're talking about?...

Their recommended dose is 1/2 tsp/gal. Try that for a flowering plant and cut it in half for a starting point in veg.

 

[DirtyMcCurdy]

Their recommended dose is 1/2 tsp/gal. Try that for a flowering plant and cut it in half for a starting point in veg.

Alright. I will back it down to 1/2tsp per gallon and run that. My plants are still in veg. I started this on plants that were already vegging. They are about 6 weeks in under 400 watt MH lights. Growing at a pretty good rate right now.

 

[Theophilus]

Alright. I will back it down to 1/2tsp per gallon and run that. My plants are still in veg. I started this on plants that were already vegging. They are about 6 weeks in under 400 watt MH lights. Growing at a pretty good rate right now.

Homebrewer said to go with 1/2 tsp per gallon for plants that are IN flower. Half of that for plants that are "still in veg" would be 1/4 tsp per gallon. He knows what he is talking about. According to what you just said, you are doubling the rate that he just suggested you use, in case you missed that. Just trying to be helpful.