Rosin Tech

[gk skunky]

I am late to the show here. But recently a buddy came over and asked to squish my perfectly good nugs with a hair straightener to make wax. Does anyone else find this shit barbaric?

More authoritarian to me. Lol Tell him to buy some buds and show you first he is good at it before potentially wasting your good flower. Well you could still eat the chips after. Those things give me a long steady high. Nothing crazy intensity wise.

@Yodaweed hey man read what I posted above. Might try that GGG again with small nuggets and short press times. Still staying around 300*F and pressing about 3 seconds. Got much better yield from the much smaller buds of ones I was getting hardly anything from.

 

[gk skunky]

Just compared some sour diesel with a cure over a couple weeks to some only burped once. Good Lord. Huge difference. Seems too much moisture may make it all gooey like it was fully decarboxylated. Gonna try some live fresh frozen later. Then to compare all three. Cured, dried not cured, fresh then frozen.

 

[gk skunky]

Alright, let's play a game. It dawned on me after I was almost done pressing should take a bud shot. They all looked similar just varying shades of green. So since my scale isn't super accurate it's between 1-1.5g of each. I tried to start with a known weight, then add and subtract bud and try to get as close to possible. Anyways. Which is which? Left to right? Remember there is cured, frozen fresh, and dry not cured. The dry and frozen are from the same plant just a small amount frozen at harvest after trim. The cured is from the same cut just previous harvest which is still a very sizeable variable. But either way.

 

[yktind]

My Supplies will be here Next week. Can't wait to transform this hash.

 

[yktind]

Alright, let's play a game. It dawned on me after I was almost done pressing should take a bud shot. They all looked similar just varying shades of green. So since my scale isn't super accurate it's between 1-1.5g of each. I tried to start with a known weight, then add and subtract bud and try to get as close to possible. Anyways. Which is which? Left to right? Remember there is cured, frozen fresh, and dry not cured. The dry and frozen are from the same plant just a small amount frozen at harvest after trim. The cured is from the same cut just previous harvest which is still a very sizeable variable. But either way.

Left = Fresh Frozen
Middle = Cured
Right = Dry Uncured

Do I win?

 

[francy420]

 

[francy420]

Lol where"s the text. Anyhow random shots from pressing lower grade bubble today. Left to right 120u, 73u, and 25u, and the other patty next to the bubble is 45u.

 

[gk skunky]

Left = Fresh Frozen
Middle = Cured
Right = Dry Uncured

Do I win?

Left to right it's fresh frozen, dried, cured. Though the cured was from a different plant. Same mother and all but could still have something to do with it.

 

[gk skunky]

Looking good @Fancy420

 

[GreenStick85]

Was 3g broken down into what I eyeballed as close to .5 g. Between the diameter of a nickel and quarter. Last night I tried using smaller buds about half or less than the previous. About a good hit or two nug. Something you'd load in a small spoon. Not much. The scale I still have only weighs in grams. The good one broke and really no reason for fractions of a gram for me. On But anyways. The even smaller nugs worked better. Trying to figure out the sweet spot. And yeah I did that with one of the super triched up strains I couldn't get much out of last time, sweet tooth. Turns out it seems if the buds have too many trichs it's even easier to vape off. Because before the bigger buds would sizzle but nothing really. Seems the better the bud the shorter the presses and pressing less gives you more though still trying to figure out that diminishing return. Maybe it's just because I'm new to it and still tinkering but my impression so far is this method may also be the most strain variable. Though that makes sense. With solvents you're dissolving using varying polarity solvents. Since this relies heat and pressure the amount of both are even more variable since the cannabinoid profile is varying the melt temperature of strains and trichome saturation could also impact that. idk maybe as I play more I can tell more. Almost how technique dictates the Quality of your bubble, bho, technique here moreless drives efficiency to yield. Still for now won't be my main method of concentration but will still continue to "dabble" with it. Lol

Yeah like most have said this is just a new venture but I hope we can find a method that uses no
Solvent and no heat. Risking accidental decarb that is oftrn what would happen here

 

[gk skunky]

Yeah like most have said this is just a new venture but I hope we can find a method that uses no
Solvent and no heat. Risking accidental decarb that is oftrn what would happen here

For sure. Though not sure how to truly get away from heat. But Yeah. Maybe a gentle heat high pressure press under vacuum extraction. vacuum to lower melt temperature, lower more stabilized gentle heat with logic, and the high pressure press to get out the goodies. Maybe sounds a bit oxymoronic for pressure and vacuum but there are voids present, otherwise nothing would come out surrounding the bud, so vacuum would not be cancelled out. Sure that wouldn't be as simple or quick but I'm trying to think increased throughput and scalability. GHHPV, the zero cool extraction. Lol sorry pretty inebriated and rambling ideas.

 

[WarMachine]

Got a gram of hash today to press out with the 110u tomorrow. We see if the results differ compared to the tea bag.

 

[GreenStick85]

For sure. Though not sure how to truly get away from heat. But Yeah. Maybe a gentle heat high pressure press under vacuum extraction. vacuum to lower melt temperature, lower more stabilized gentle heat with logic, and the high pressure press to get out the goodies. Maybe sounds a bit oxymoronic for pressure and vacuum but there are voids present, otherwise nothing would come out surrounding the bud, so vacuum would not be cancelled out. Sure that wouldn't be as simple or quick but I'm trying to think increased throughput and scalability. GHHPV, the zero cool extraction. Lol sorry pretty inebriated and rambling ideas.

No you managed to capture my attention. Question is what kind of science has to happen? I mean on a molecular level the only real thing to get most of the thc without having solvent is dry sift but it doesn't convert to melt until some heat is applied to it. Kief is just a slighly unrefined version of the same idea, dry sift is kief,just smaller and mucn less plant material. i know kief looks golden and pure by itself but has plenty of plant in it. Pistils or the red hairs we see are just littered in kief.
but total extraction coming out with a honey consistency... They are all Cold Methods or Hot methods. Nothing in between is known to me except dry sift. Apparently this process is TEDIOUS at best, false moves of your equipment and the result changes the purity. But you could manage an extremely good pure product with trim, better yet with flower and nothing of solvent or chems or even heat is used.

 

[gk skunky]

No you managed to capture my attention. Question is what kind of science has to happen? I mean on a molecular level the only real thing to get most solvent is dry sift but it doesn't convert to melt until some heat is applied to it. Kief is just a slighly unrefined version of the same idea, dry sift is kief,just smaller and mucn less plant material. i know kief looks golden and pure by itself but has plenty of plant in it. Pistils or the red hairs we see are just littered in kief.
but total extraction coming out with a honey consistency... They are all Cold Methods or Hot methods. Nothing in between is known to me except dry sift. Apparently this process is TEDIOUS at best, false moves of your equipment and the result changes the purity. But you could manage an extremely good pure product with trim, better yet with flower and nothing of solvent or chems or even heat is used.

For that I was thinking something like a modified version of a vacuum press for heat forming except more suited for extract production and consumption. A redesigned version of something similar to this maybe.
http://www.hdindustrialdesign.com/products/the-hd-press-300-vacuum-former-press?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlepla&variant=774049469

 

[hyroot]

 

[gk skunky]

That's what always cracked me up about solventless wax from bubble. Ugh water is a solvent too.

 

[hyroot]

Flower Rosin from 2 month cured 9lb hammer. I only pressed 1 gram. A long cure makes quite the difference in quality, yield, and terps.

 

[gk skunky]

Just to give you an idea. Smaller to an extent is definitely better. actually thought I got a couple better pics but apparently I didn't.

 

[yktind]

For sure. Though not sure how to truly get away from heat. But Yeah. Maybe a gentle heat high pressure press under vacuum extraction. vacuum to lower melt temperature, lower more stabilized gentle heat with logic, and the high pressure press to get out the goodies. Maybe sounds a bit oxymoronic for pressure and vacuum but there are voids present, otherwise nothing would come out surrounding the bud, so vacuum would not be cancelled out. Sure that wouldn't be as simple or quick but I'm trying to think increased throughput and scalability. GHHPV, the zero cool extraction. Lol sorry pretty inebriated and rambling ideas.

Only thing about making the vacuum it would also lower the evaporation temp of all the terps and goodies right?

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[gk skunky]

Only thing about making the vacuum it would also lower the evaporation temp of all the terps and goodies right?

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Yes. But that's the idea also. Lower environmental pressure lower melt temp, lower melt temp use lower heat to press. Then have control over environment pressure/vacuum, pressing pressure, and heat. Maybe even a step controlled process. For instance. Vacuum pulled to -25"Hg, heat at 320*F, pressing at 120psi. Hold for 2sec then simultaneously vacuum increases to -30"Hg, heat deceased to 250*F, press at 300psi for 1sec then release press. Now that's all completely made up values. Just rogue ideas floating around in my head. Lol vacuum press with thermocycling capabilities meets hydraulic press. Just literally pipe dreams. Though wouldn't be beneficial to us because the crazy crap in my mind would only be suited for commercial where automation and throughput are important.