buds wont cola

[*SeeDLinG*]

I am currently running the same 8/16ml per gallon..I am using liquid cool bloom(0-10-10) in addition to terpinator(0-0-4) at 20ml per gallon. The results are satisfactory so far(week 6 of flower) so I would suggest looking into a straight K supplement. It wont raise ppm too much since it's only a 0-0-4, will lower PH a little but thats an easy one.
Happy growing!

 

[*SeeDLinG*]

^^^^^^ DEFINITELY use liquid koolbloom, flowers and vegetables use huge amounts of phosphorus and potassium during reproduction(e.g. fruit and flower production). If youre not using a p/k supplement at all this is for sure contributing to your problem. Like I said earlier in my other post I use koolbloom and a separate potassium supplement together. They will increase yield and quality as well as essential oils(e.g. resin).

 

[Spanky84]

Could it be that the buds were packed too tight, so buds forming on the tips shaded lower nodes, causing them to go popcorn instad of forming larger flower clusters that join into a big cola?

 

[ricky6991]

Spanky - yeah I had that issue for sure. My current room going with stand up plants and the cheesdog that's large isn't shadin at all and still has issue. I am 100% buying that 0-10-10 product today.
should i use the big swell i have all of flower with the koolbloom?

 

[ricky6991]

So I have decided after reading a good 20 Posts about people having same issues as me also running GH. I am going to switch to same nutes as my buddy. Technaflora brand. I actually ran this line my very first time in soil with great results.

since he has a sealed room with same amount of lights and same ebbWebb n flow setup and clones off my plants iI feel its gotta be my only difference.

GH works and is easy and would get great results if I spent another 3 Rounds changing small aspects of schedual POSSIBLY. But for me my setup costs to much to keep up and there is no need to continue on with a setup that doesn't seem to work well.

Not takinresponsibility off me as a grower an reading the plants but I'll post back with results

 

[ricky6991]

I am currently running the same 8/16ml per gallon..I am using liquid cool bloom(0-10-10) in addition to terpinator(0-0-4) at 20ml per gallon. The results are satisfactory so far(week 6 of flower) so I would suggest looking into a straight K supplement. It wont raise ppm too much since it's only a 0-0-4, will lower PH a little but thats an easy one.
Happy growing!

Can you post a pic? My bud pics are easy difference to tell compared to others in a bubbler setup

i added a picture of same g13 pineapple from another thread on here. He is in bubbler setup and you see the bud width and all white hairs everywhere. My buddy had his buds looking identical if not alittlebiggest.er

 

[jojaxx]

Heyyyyyy looks like mine....lol.

I dont think nutes are the problem.....looking at those roots like u said, it out grew the bucket. For it to be that big im sure the bucket was full before u even flipped to flower.

I saw someone on "you tube" who vegges till his plants are 4x4 but b4 he flips to flower he transplants out of the 5gal bucket into one of those round tubs u find @ walmart ( plastic w/rope handle) cuz by this time the bucket is full. Looks like roots had NO room to breath.....just saying

 

[ricky6991]

It is yours lol. I'm doing smaller plants this round and adding the p/k additives but I'm seriously considering swapping nutes.

 

[grapeoptimo]

it looks to me like the root mass overtook the bucket and that affected the harvest weight. nice roots tho.

 

[Silky T]

OK, I'll make it short for now cause at work but to the point..

i Have ebb n flow with 5 gallon buckets with lids rather than insert pots so roots submerge into water. Each bucket has 2" air stone with big aair pump. called poor mans under current i guess.

feedings are 2.5 hours filled. 1 hour drained. Plants get super growth but buds stop growing during week 5-7 then they just swell up and harden weeks 8-9. So the plants do not ever turn into colas.

the strain is not tthe issue cause i gave clones to friend and he greww monster colas in a normal ebb n flow with normal 30min feeding every 3.5hrs and air sttone In buckets.

i use lucas formula with cal-mag,sweet,bud swell... he uses B.c. brand... there is not a huge difference except i feed longer but get bigger faster growth. He uses different nutes But not sure thats my problem. I am trying to feed less now and get less nodes per plant and hoping it makes a difference.

pic of roots are from plants just finished, plant had ton of tops but only 6" colas... 2 plant pics are pic before switching 12/12 and then its now at week 7. You can see plenty growth but buds just not big. this is 10 week strain.

I have a question as a REAL NOOB. I'm having a hard time figuring out how the plant fills in between nodes to make a cola. Is that what happens? I see the two pics, the one before colas and the one after and I see colas have formed. How do these grow on a bare stem? I've never grown inside and watched and hell, I don't even know the difference between a cola and a bud. I thought a bud was one of those "flowers" that grow at the end of a branch that has leaves and pistils--not? Please explain how a bare stem with branches (with flowers on each end) turn into a cola.

 

[Silky T]

I think that you and I must have a different meaning for the word cola. For me, a cola is the main bud at the top of a plant (this is the simple version, there are a number of ways to get multiple colas).

Your pics simply look like they are a little young and need some time to bulk up, but without better pics, it's hard to tell.

I'm a noob and a girl with no experience growing inside (I've never seen them this close so often to see how they grow) soooo, this is what I thought I was doing (making multiple colas) when I LST'd one of my Pure Power Plants and it grew, like 7 or 8 branches on the side. But my string popped off one day and I hadn't noticed and just left it. But it does have those branches coming out the side big time. When I started "budding" "flowering" I am a noob and apparently don't know the difference, I thought I would have colas where the branches are. Since you said, "there are a number of ways to get multiple colas", is this one of them? I have two Pure Power Plants, one without LST and they both have all these "bud sites" as I call them. Those places where there's "flowers with pistils" as well as pistils at all the nodes. My question is, am I going to have a main cola (I do have a main that's getting filled in on top of the stem but still in white hair mode) and many, many branches with "flowers" on the tips. How is this going to grow? I've seen pics and either there's one main cola (which I can't understand how because doesn't everybody have branches with "flowers on the ends" as well as a main?) Or they have many, colas. I'm confused. I have a main and many buds or flowers at the tips of all my branches. The first one is from the side and the next two are from the top. What's going on here and what am I going to wind up with? I didn't know a plant could grow buds on the stem to create a cola, is this what happens?

 

[Silky T]

it looks to me like the root mass overtook the bucket and that affected the harvest weight. nice roots tho.

Ever seen a root ball like that? Jeez!

 

[UncleReemis]

I have a question as a REAL NOOB. I'm having a hard time figuring out how the plant fills in between nodes to make a cola. Is that what happens? I see the two pics, the one before colas and the one after and I see colas have formed. How do these grow on a bare stem? I've never grown inside and watched and hell, I don't even know the difference between a cola and a bud. I thought a bud was one of those "flowers" that grow at the end of a branch that has leaves and pistils--not? Please explain how a bare stem with branches (with flowers on each end) turn into a cola.

Nugs or buds are attached to a main stem via a smaller stem. They grow in clusters around the main stem over time. If you pull apart a cola, you'd be pulling off a bunch of nuggs with each their own stem that grow cluster style, hence how they fill in to be colas. Simply put, a cola is a filled in cluster of flower sites that grow off of the main stem via smaller stems.

 

[Silky T]

Nugs or buds are attached to a main stem via a smaller stem. They grow in clusters around the main stem over time. If you pull apart a cola, you'd be pulling off a bunch of nuggs with each their own stem that grow cluster style, hence how they fill in to be colas. Simply put, a cola is a filled in cluster of flower sites that grow off of the main stem via smaller stems.

Okay, let me get this straight. For every bud site at the tip of my braches, it will create an evenual cola? You are calling a "smaller stem" a branch? The difference in terminology is confusing me. And it's not only because I'm blonde, I'm really not getting this. This is what I understand (or don't)
Stem = main stalk or trunk
Branch = limbs
Flowers = the white hairy blooms with small leaves
Cola = that nice, fat, juicy, sweet-smelling green growth that we are all after.
Bud = nug

??If you pull apart a cola, you'd be pulling off a bunch of nuggs with each their own stem that grow cluster style?? I"m trying to get a visual on this and still having a hard time.

I know it really doesn't make that much difference what each thing is called as long as it grows and produces weed, UNLESS, there's something I need to be doing, either food wise or otherswise to make a difference in the outcome. At this point, does it matter?

 

[Silky T]

OK, pics are, my big scrog room I just cut down. You can see its plenty of tops and they seem like they cola but they are just small tops 6" or so. A room that size with plants that big should be doing better than 4lb... BUT we can forget about the big scrog room cause its cut down now.

Its easier to concentrate on my plants still going cause i can get pics for you guys. So you can see pic of the stand up plants before 12/12. They are nice size for sure. Healthy. Then there is a pic of during the stretch faze when i lollipoped inside and lower nodes. Then the next pic is from last week of week 6 .

so you can see bud sizes are just not adding up. This specific strain is blz bud. Clones came from another cardholder and this strain has no issue growing a nice cola. The cheese dawg plant in my first pic is 4x4 plant so its deffinetly an old established plant which my last run i grew same plant and had 1 cola aboAt a 1ft length. So the nodes can form a cola.

uncleben i felt the same way tthat's why i only run big swell during 2 weeks at the end. I oonly started this issue since I added air stone and flooding longer, but the growth has been insane in comparison. I guess bigger plants do not mean bigger yield.

the pic of my room with 24 buckets i ran 12 in last run cause plants covered entire space.

edit - new pics are under my last 12 plant screen and the cola picture is from my last run of cheese dawg in week 9. That last run iI did not concentrate on cheesedawg at all. It was in my hydro setup with another strain so I added notes from other strain not cheese dawg and it burnt a bit but had to feed my other 11 Plants rather than 1 Cheese

It makes me feel a little better to see that someone with a grow this massive and indepth with superior quality workmanship, still asks questions. So as a noob on first grow, I don't feel so bad. There's always gonna be questions, i reckon

 

[Silky T]

8000 Watts , 4lbs total. My bills are running a setup for 8-10 lb each run. Literally a smidge of 5 oz each plant gets me 8 lb. This is why im doing individual buckets to concentrate on plants individually rather than one big canopy.

Make sure you keep a good written journal. Just sayin' from experience.

 

[Silky T]

OK, pics are, my big scrog room I just cut down. You can see its plenty of tops and they seem like they cola but they are just small tops 6" or so. A room that size with plants that big should be doing better than 4lb... BUT we can forget about the big scrog room cause its cut down now.

Its easier to concentrate on my plants still going cause i can get pics for you guys. So you can see pic of the stand up plants before 12/12. They are nice size for sure. Healthy. Then there is a pic of during the stretch faze when i lollipoped inside and lower nodes. Then the next pic is from last week of week 6 .

so you can see bud sizes are just not adding up. This specific strain is blz bud. Clones came from another cardholder and this strain has no issue growing a nice cola. The cheese dawg plant in my first pic is 4x4 plant so its deffinetly an old established plant which my last run i grew same plant and had 1 cola aboAt a 1ft length. So the nodes can form a cola.

uncleben i felt the same way tthat's why i only run big swell during 2 weeks at the end. I oonly started this issue since I added air stone and flooding longer, but the growth has been insane in comparison. I guess bigger plants do not mean bigger yield.

the pic of my room with 24 buckets i ran 12 in last run cause plants covered entire space.

edit - new pics are under my last 12 plant screen and the cola picture is from my last run of cheese dawg in week 9. That last run iI did not concentrate on cheesedawg at all. It was in my hydro setup with another strain so I added notes from other strain not cheese dawg and it burnt a bit but had to feed my other 11 Plants rather than 1 Cheese

How in God's name did you get those tree trunks like that? You keeping these girls in veg?

 

[Silky T]

Could it be air quality/humidity? When you say you have a sealed room are you recycling the air inside or are you pulling in fresh air? Also have you considered the dehumidifier and A/C unit working together might be making the air too dry? Not sure if those could be your problem but just throwing it out there in case you hadn't considered it.

Do plants like more of a humid environment or a dry one? I can't keep it humid in their room because I am inside the house. I do have a window open and there's humid air coming in and blowing on them. I don't know if being in the A/C is causing my stunted growth.

 

[UncleReemis]

Okay, let me get this straight. For every bud site at the tip of my braches, it will create an evenual cola? You are calling a "smaller stem" a branch? The difference in terminology is confusing me. And it's not only because I'm blonde, I'm really not getting this. This is what I understand (or don't)
Stem = main stalk or trunk
Branch = limbs
Flowers = the white hairy blooms with small leaves
Cola = that nice, fat, juicy, sweet-smelling green growth that we are all after.
Bud = nug

??If you pull apart a cola, you'd be pulling off a bunch of nuggs with each their own stem that grow cluster style?? I"m trying to get a visual on this and still having a hard time.

I know it really doesn't make that much difference what each thing is called as long as it grows and produces weed, UNLESS, there's something I need to be doing, either food wise or otherswise to make a difference in the outcome. At this point, does it matter?

You're welcome for the effort I put in to respond to this thread and offer my explanations. The terminology isn't extremely important in this case, we know what stems are and we know what flowers are.

Usually you wouldn't be able to see the bud stems very easily but for the sake of the depiction, you can. I also refrained from drawing a ton of foliage and extra branching for the sake of understanding the concept. I'm not sorry if you're unsatisfied with my explanations/depictions.

 

[Silky T]

You're welcome for the effort I put in to respond to this thread and offer my explanations. The terminology isn't extremely important in this case, we know what stems are and we know what flowers are.

Usually you wouldn't be able to see the bud stems very easily but for the sake of the depiction, you can. I also refrained from drawing a ton of foliage and extra branching for the sake of understanding the concept. I'm not sorry if you're unsatisfied with my explanations/depictions.

Thank you sooo much. I tend to forget that this site isn't for helping people learn to grow weed only, it's a site for other things too. My bad. I owe you a bud Wait, are you talking about when I said, "at this point does it matter"? That was actually a question regarding if I should be feeding them something to make a difference in the outcome. I don't know what else I said that you misunderstood. I'm not like that.
P.S. Thanks for the diagram.