The positive, economic effect of lowering the minimum wage to $0

[bu$hleaguer]

Do you think people should have to work more than 40 hours a week to survive?

Sure, I think that's just an arbitrary number. It depends on if they assume survival includes buying spinning rims and eating caviar or if they rent an apartment with 4 other roommates. I don't think 40 really matters. I work close to 70 and don't have shit for spending money but that's how I do it.

 

[bu$hleaguer]

who forced you to hire anyone?

No one did, I chose to hire them, and I chose what to pay them.

 

[Rob Roy]

prepare your anus, klanman.



you told me you were aware of the property taxes when you bought your house, and bought it without duress.

you raped and enslaved yourself, pedo.

So, if you have an awareness of a thug and his acts, that equates to consent of those same actions?

Interesting and intellectually bereft of any logic or morality, plus it smells like Wendy's cheeseburger dung.

 

[UncleBuck]

Can you show me the agreement that individual people made with this coercive thing referred to as the Federal Government allowing confiscation of their labor?

no one has ever been forced to sign one, either.

 

[UncleBuck]

No one did, I chose to hire them, and I chose what to pay them.

so it was a voluntary decision on your part?

 

[UncleBuck]

So, if you have an awareness of a thug and his acts, that equates to consent of those same actions?

you had (and still do have) the option to not pay the thug a penny and be left alone.

but you're far too much of a whiny pussy to do that.

 

[bu$hleaguer]

so it was a voluntary decision on your part?

Whether or not to hire them? Yeah, if they suck I don't hire them. And if we can't agree on an acceptable wage I don't hire them.

 

[see4]

You keep saying you're not forced to sign anything or to fill it out but that doesn't change the fact that you still get money withheld. What argument are you trying to make? Sorry, just confused with what you're trying to argue

The claim on one side says that anything withheld is without consent. The counterclaim is, who forced you to sign the W4 so that taxes would be withheld, or, who forced you to work at the business who asked you to sign the W4. By signing the W4, you are consenting to withholding of taxes. If you wish to not have taxes withheld from money you earn, choose a different place to work.

 

[Rob Roy]

If you didn't consent to the tax, you wouldn't make the purchase

What's stopping you from creating any product yourself?

If a person builds a house they aren't taxed on it?

You can't manufacture consent from another person by using rationalizations or a gun. Your premise is flawed.

If it isn't tell me how one person or group of people can do this?

Give me an example of how an individual doesn't consent, but magically without their permission, others can then create that dissenting persons consent? Sounds very similar to gang rape.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Sure, I think that's just an arbitrary number. It depends on if they assume survival includes buying spinning rims and eating caviar or if they rent an apartment with 4 other roommates. I don't think 40 really matters. I work close to 70 and don't have shit for spending money but that's how I do it.

The bare minimum customary standards. 3 meals a day & rent, that's it. So if someone works 40 hours a week and can't afford that because their wage is too low, is that OK?

 

[see4]

Whether or not to hire them? Yeah, if they suck I don't hire them. And if we can't agree on an acceptable wage I don't hire them.

And there is nothing wrong with that position.

 

[Padawanbater2]

If a person builds a house they aren't taxed on it?

You can't manufacture consent from another person by using rationalizations or a gun. Your premise is flawed.

If it isn't tell me how one person or group of people can do this?

Give me an example of how an individual doesn't consent, but magically without their permission, others can then create that dissenting persons consent? Sounds very similar to gang rape.

You refuse to acknowledge you don't own the land your house is built on, so that's as far as we go on that front

I'm not gonna sit here and argue with someone that 2+2=5...

 

[Rob Roy]

The claim on one side says that anything withheld is without consent. The counterclaim is, who forced you to sign the W4 so that taxes would be without, or, who forced you to work at the business who asked you to sign the W4. By signing the W4, you are consenting to withholding of taxes. If you wish to not have taxes withheld from money you earn, choose a different place to work.

You conveniently left something out, you fail to acknowledge the duress, which makes your argument a fraudulent argument.

Do I have to overpower you again and take the money I so kindly left you with when you pissed your pants in fear of my awesome Silver back onslaught ?

The argument is about taking things by ANYBODY or any entity from a person that does not consent.... if the person being robbed "consents" because they are threatened in some way and you ignore that you are exposing your hypocrisy.

 

[bu$hleaguer]

The claim on one side says that anything withheld is without consent. The counterclaim is, who forced you to sign the W4 so that taxes would be without, or, who forced you to work at the business who asked you to sign the W4. By signing the W4, you are consenting to withholding of taxes. If you wish to not have taxes withheld from money you earn, choose a different place to work.

Got ya. Doesn't seem like that leaves many places for a person to work that are legal, legitimate options then though.

 

[UncleBuck]

If a person builds a house they aren't taxed on it?

 

[Rob Roy]

no one has ever been forced to sign one, either.

Your ability to ignore the gun in the room serves as proof that you are inconsistent, a hypocrite and a Poopy Pants Slave.

 

[see4]

You conveniently left something out, you fail to acknowledge the duress, which makes your argument a fraudulent argument.

Do I have to overpower you again and take the money I so kindly left you with when you pissed your pants in fear of my awesome Silver back onslaught ?

The argument is about taking things by ANYBODY or any entity from a person that does not consent.... if the person being robbed "consents" because they are threatened in some way and you ignore that you are exposing your hypocrisy.

What duress? Were you forced to sign the W4? Were you forced to purchase your home? Were you forced to purchase your vehicle? The answer is no, you were not. Your entire argument is completely deflated.

Stop trying to coverup your lala-land bat shit crazy theories with allusions of over powering me. It makes your arguments silly and contrite.

 

[bu$hleaguer]

The bare minimum customary standards. 3 meals a day & rent, that's it. So if someone works 40 hours a week and can't afford that because their wage is too low, is that OK?

Sure, we've all had to have roommates in the past, that's how it's done! Not too hard to do.

If everyone wants the minimum wage hiked up to fix this "problem" (normally called "life") why don't they set a mandatory federal maximum on rent?

 

[UncleBuck]

Your ability to ignore the gun in the room serves as proof that you are inconsistent, a hypocrite and a Poopy Pants Slave.

no one has ever been forced to sign a W4 at gunpoint, spaMBLA.

 

[Rob Roy]

Nice cabin. Except the guy used a saw to cut the logs.