Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

[Uncle Ben]

"Livable wage" is relative to many factors like I said.

The issue is not how much you make, it's how you manage what you have. I know a few people that relatively speaking have a lot of money but nothing to show for it. They piss it off on stupid stuff, things they don't need. Case in point, some relatives who paid big money and installed a solar panel on their roof, tied into the grid (which doesn't pay back 100% of what you over generate if any.) And where do they live? One of the rainiest, cloudiest cities in the U.S. in Louisiana, swamp land. Give 'em 2 nickels they'll rub them together and will disappear in thin air.

Stupid is a stupid does.

 

[sheskunk]

Let me clarify. We had a discussion where you told me that people should work hard and try to do better if they aren't making enough. Also that employers should pay whatever they want. Also that you'd sell your daughter into prostitution if she didn't measure up. While this all seems a bit extreme, you stood fast on this. OK, we don't have anything more to discuss....unless... you are willing to bring interesting information to the table.

For example, I dug up something on Denmark that shows other systems can work. How about if you do a little homework rather than tell me what you think and that's it? Make this interesting and I'll talk. But rebut whatever I bring to this forum with, "harrumph, what I think is..." with no backup no real ideas.

Fuck that. I'm not interested in hearing you regurgitate your stale thoughts.

And just to clarify ...

I said I'd sell my daughter into slavery if it meant she'd live to see another day. It was in reference to people in third world countries who die of starvation. I said if it was a choice between her starving to death or being sold into slavery, I'd sell her.

 

[bearkat42]

And just to clarify ...

I said I'd sell my daughter into slavery if it meant she'd live to see another day. It was in reference to people in third world countries who die of starvation. I said if it was a choice between her starving to death or being sold into slavery, I'd sell her.

Why?

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[sheskunk]

Why?

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Because death seems like a really shitty option.

 

[bearkat42]

Because death seems like a really shitty option.

Better than slavery. Better to die on my feet, than live on my knees.

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[Rob Roy]

And just to clarify ...

I said I'd sell my daughter into slavery if it meant she'd live to see another day. It was in reference to people in third world countries who die of starvation. I said if it was a choice between her starving to death or being sold into slavery, I'd sell her.

You could just let her join the military...pretty much the same thing.

 

[Rob Roy]

Better than slavery.

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Maybe. At least a person has a possibility of escaping slavery.

Speaking of slavery, why do so many people refuse to resist the "light slavery" they live in today, carried out via coercion based political institutions? Is it because they accept what is normal is also rational and never really question the status quo?

 

[bearkat42]

Maybe. At least a person has a possibility of escaping slavery.

Speaking of slavery, why do so many people refuse to resist the "light slavery" they live in today, carried out via coercion based political institutions? Is it because they accept what is normal is also rational and never really question the status quo?

Sorry friend. I choose death.

 

[Rob Roy]

Sorry friend. I choose death.

I respect your choice. I chose to honor life and freedom too.

 

[sheskunk]

Better than slavery. Better to die on my feet, than live on my knees.

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Do you have that on a T-shirt? With a big eagle and an American flag blowing in the wind?

 

[bearkat42]

I respect your choice. I chose to honor life and freedom too.

Do you have that on a T-shirt? With a big eagle and an American flag blowing in the wind?

I don't do the American flag. Pretty sure there's some slavery in my background though.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

You could just let her join the military...pretty much the same thing.

I gotta disagree with you on that one brother.

I served and my experience was nothing but fantastic. Basic training was bearable, seven months of intensive photography training at Lowry AFB, with evenings and weekends open to whatever we wanted to do. Assigned to the Pentagon and living in an apartment with BAQ & Sep Rats paying for everything six months later. Worked a standard workday and work week, side by side with government employees and other than PT twice a week, it wasn't much different than a civilian job.

Obviously, not everyone has that experience, but if you can score in the mid to high 90's on the ASFAB test, there are plenty of options in the military that make the juice worth the squeeze.

 

[Rob Roy]

Do you have that on a T-shirt? With a big eagle and an American flag blowing in the wind?

That would be hypocritical and contradictory.

A coercive institution like the USA cannot give or protect freedom, it is logically impossible.

 

[Rob Roy]

I gotta disagree with you on that one brother.

I served and my experience was nothing but fantastic. Basic training was bearable, seven months of intensive photography training at Lowry AFB, with evenings and weekends open to whatever we wanted to do. Assigned to the Pentagon and living in and apartment with BAQ & Sep Rats paying for everything six months later. Worked a standard workday and work week, side by side with government employees and other than PT twice a week, it wasn't much different than a civilian job.

Obviously, not everyone has that experience, but if you can score in the mid to high 90's on the ASFAB test, there are plenty of options in the military that make the juice worth the squeeze.

I took an ASVAB test and scored 98.

My experience was somewhat different than yours, for National Security purposes I cannot elaborate. Glad it worked out for you though.

My dad and son were Marines, my brother retired as a Commander from the Coast Guard years ago... Since then I've became a sasquatch and have loved it. Peace.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I took an ASVAB test and scored 98.

My experience was somewhat different than yours, for National Security purposes I cannot elaborate. Glad it worked out for you though.

My dad and son were Marines, my brother retired as a Commander from the Coast Guard years ago... Since then I've became a sasquatch and have loved it. Peace.

For some it's a perfect fit, for others, they count the days until their separation. By the way, you crushed me on the test, I scored 94.

 

[BDOGKush]

Lets say this again: "Over the past few years, these workers, as a group, not only have not earned a raise, but they are getting paid more for doing less"

Fuck you Forbes. Productivity is something that managers are responsible for. Workers show up and do the jobs that management is supposed to be in charge of.

So do employees have any responsibility for their own work ethic?

 

[OddBall1st]

you mean 'precedence'?

when you hire someone, you are paying them for their time and results.

do you really look at a cashier and think 'yeah that's a minimum wage job for sure..no skill required'?

you need to look into these 'no skill' jobs and walk in their shoes for a week.

bet you'd be crying to go back to whatever it is you do for a living.

there is no such thing as a no skill job.

No I`m not,...I`m hiring them to show up on time and perform for me,....or get replaced. The employer has to find their time available, Not me. Should I not like the results, I make a change.... I`ve had many minimum wage starts after high school,...why do you think I didn`t ? Do you have a crystal ball or a desire to talk shit you guess and feel ? While there may be no such thing as a skilled job, there sure as hell is a thing called skilled labor, which is not equal to lesser skilled work,....not even close.

I looked at a cashier one time as I waited for him to get a translator for me and it took a long time while I waited in line. I did think that although he is entitled to the job, it may not be the time and place for him right now,.....

I`ll continue to do what I do and you continue to talk about things you guess might be.

 

[OddBall1st]

you mean 'precedence'?

when you hire someone, you are paying them for their time and results.

do you really look at a cashier and think 'yeah that's a minimum wage job for sure..no skill required'?

you need to look into these 'no skill' jobs and walk in their shoes for a week.

bet you'd be crying to go back to whatever it is you do for a living.

there is no such thing as a no skill job.

Now, tell me how I should make my decision on which of the six that applied for the job, should be hired,...Talk about real stuff, not maybe if`s....

 

[bearkat42]

So do employees have any responsibility for their own work ethic?

When wars are lost who's blamed, the generals or the soldiers?

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[BDOGKush]

When wars are lost who's blamed, the generals or the soldiers?

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Ignoring that fighting wars has nothing to do with my question, I take it your opinion is that employees have no responsibility for their own work ethic and that its entirely the managers responsibility.