Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?


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BDOGKush

Well-Known Member
I mean the guy says he has a degree in journalism...hell become an English teacher. Story sounds suspect.
He could go teach English abroad and make decent money while traveling to countries and experiencing cultures that many people will never get a chance to enjoy.

Self-pity, a destroyer of perspective.
 
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NoDrama

Well-Known Member
denmark.

big mac only costs a few cents more too.

dumbass.
A big mac costs $4.68 in the USA.
A big mac costs $5.37 in Denmark.

http://nomadcapitalist.com/2013/11/24/top-5-expensive-countries-on-the-big-mac-index/

few
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adjective & pronoun
determiner: few; adjective: few; comparative adjective: fewer; superlative adjective: fewest
  1. 1.
    a small number of.
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    synonyms:a small number, a handful, one or two, a couple, two or three;More
    not many, hardly any
    "there weren't many biscuits, but we saved you a few"
  2. 2.
    used to emphasize how small a number of people or things is.
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    synonyms:scarce, scant, meager, insufficient, in short supply;More Dumbass indeed
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
.80 cents more to be exact.
Would you rather pay $.80 more for a big mac and ensure every McDonald's employee earns a living wage or pay what you pay now and they earn minimum wage?

(This is beside the point though, McDonald's is a multinational corporation, the negligible increases in price should go to to the CEO, executives and shareholders, by law)


 

UncleBuck

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A big mac costs $4.68 in the USA.
A big mac costs $5.37 in Denmark.

http://nomadcapitalist.com/2013/11/24/top-5-expensive-countries-on-the-big-mac-index/

few
fyo͞o/
adjective & pronoun
determiner: few; adjective: few; comparative adjective: fewer; superlative adjective: fewest
  1. 1.
    a small number of.
    "may I ask a few questions?"
    synonyms:a small number, a handful, one or two, a couple, two or three;More
    not many, hardly any
    "there weren't many biscuits, but we saved you a few"
  2. 2.
    used to emphasize how small a number of people or things is.
    "he had few friends"
    synonyms:scarce, scant, meager, insufficient, in short supply;More Dumbass indeed
so their min wage in nearly 300% of ours, but the cost of a big mac only goes up by 14% or so?

thanks for proving my point and refuting the right wing talking points about how the sky will fall and fries will cost $20.

you dumb plagiarizing shit.
 

NewtoMJ

Well-Known Member
Would you rather pay $.80 more for a big mac and ensure every McDonald's employee earns a living wage or pay what you pay now and they earn minimum wage?

(This is beside the point though, McDonald's is a multinational corporation, the negligible increases in price should go to to the CEO, executives and shareholders, by law)


I don't eat McDonald's, I just like seeing if I can get UncleBuck to call me an idiot. Though, there was a documentary I watched you may like, it was "Inequality for all". It was about Robert Reich, and his outlining for the reasons of the wealth gap, he even uses a lot of graphs you have used. Pretty interesting.
 

Padawanbater2

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I don't eat McDonald's, I just like seeing if I can get UncleBuck to call me an idiot. Though, there was a documentary I watched you may like, it was "Inequality for all". It was about Robert Reich, and his outlining for the reasons of the wealth gap, he even uses a lot of graphs you have used. Pretty interesting.
Yep, good documentary. Did you find yourself agreeing with his points about income inequality in America?
 

NewtoMJ

Well-Known Member
Yep, good documentary. Did you find yourself agreeing with his points about income inequality in America?
I think he makes a lot of good points, but according to him, raising minimum wage is just one piece of the pie. Stagnation in the rate of people with degrees, erosion of unions, globalization and technology all play an equal role. Which is why I think we should pitch a more complete message. You're not gonna change a strict conservatives mind, but if we continue to engage in pissing matches, I think we lose the interest of people who are truly undecided.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
As an employee, you sold your labor. The employer owns it. Better leadership, management, equipment, etc.. The employees certainly give back their wages. How am I avoiding a question no one asked?
You sold your labor, not the surplus labor that was created simply by working under a capitalist system



The extra labor that you produced simply by being at the job gets stolen by the company and given out to each of those 5 categories, all whom do not actually produce anything
 

Fogdog

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Ha, the right wingnuts just talk to themselves and yell at the rest of us it seems. EVERYTHING they say about how disastrous it would be to pay somebody enough to live with dignity is just their own mythology. Case in point: Denmark

In Denmark, $20 dollars and hour is the minimum wage negotiated in a collective bargaining agreement. Oh the horror, a $5.37 Big Mac.

Denmark also provides free health care coverage to all residents, so minimum wage doesn't lock a person out of hospitals. Denmark has the highest income taxes in the world, but it also enjoys low unemployment and steady economic growth. has one of the lowest poverty rates in the world,... low unemployment, a steadily growing economy and almost no corruption. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123126942

Here is a great line that I enjoyed immensely: Economists debate whether Denmark is a model economy, or just a lucky one. Those are the same well paid economist bastards that nearly brought our economic system down at the end of the last decade by creating models that jiggered interest rates . Now they are scratching their heads and trying to deny that there are alternatives to the dystopian system that they see as the only possible solution.

And another thing: Why do we bash workers for accepting low wages and ignore the absolutely ham handed and lazy management that can't seem to add value, only cut cost? Referring to the posting by @BDOGKush for Forbes:

"The BLS data show that in 2011 labor productivity gains in the food service industry were nonexistent (that is, equal to 0 percent). In 2012, it was slightly worse; labor productivity in the food service sector dropped by 0.1 percent. In limited service restaurants, where minimum wage workers are likely to be concentrated, labor productivity fell by 2 percent in 2012 while business owners saw their unit labor costs rise by 2.8 percent. Over the past few years, these workers, as a group, not only have not earned a raise, but they are getting paid more for doing less."
Lets say this again: "Over the past few years, these workers, as a group, not only have not earned a raise, but they are getting paid more for doing less"

Fuck you Forbes. Productivity is something that managers are responsible for. Workers show up and do the jobs that management is supposed to be in charge of.
 
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sheskunk

Well-Known Member
Ha, the right wingnuts just talk to themselves and yell at the rest of us it seems. EVERYTHING they say about how disastrous it would be to pay somebody enough to live with dignity is just their own mythology. Case in point: Denmark

In Denmark, $20 dollars and hour is the minimum wage negotiated in a collective bargaining agreement. Oh the horror, a $5.37 Big Mac.

Denmark also provides free health care coverage to all residents, so minimum wage doesn't lock a person out of hospitals. Denmark has the highest income taxes in the world, but it also enjoys low unemployment and steady economic growth. has one of the lowest poverty rates in the world,... low unemployment, a steadily growing economy and almost no corruption. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123126942

Here is a great line that I enjoyed immensely: Economists debate whether Denmark is a model economy, or just a lucky one. Those are the same well paid economist bastards that nearly brought our economic system down at the end of the last decade by creating models that jiggered interest rates . Now they are scratching their heads and trying to deny that there are alternatives to the dystopian system that they see as the only possible solution.

And another thing: Why do we bash workers for accepting low wages and ignore the absolutely ham handed and lazy management that can't seem to add value, only cut cost? Referring to the posting by @BDOGKush for Forbes:



Lets say this again: "Over the past few years, these workers, as a group, not only have not earned a raise, but they are getting paid more for doing less"

Fuck you Forbes. Productivity is something that managers are responsible for. Workers show up and do the jobs that management is supposed to be in charge of.

So raise the minimum wage. Pretty simple, right?
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
No body knows how much money you need

fact
A study done on person's satisfaction with their income found that regardless of how much they made, people felt that about 30% more would be about right. If a person made $600,000 then about a million would do, if a person made $60,000 then 90,000 would be great, if a person made $15000 then $20000 would be living well. The perception of wealth varied by a person's viewpoint and defining it would be like chasing a chimera.

On the other hand its idiotic to say that nobody can calculate how much housing, clothing, medical, food heating, water and transportation costs and come up with a baseline figure for how much it costs to live.
 

Fogdog

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but this goes back to my first post

its just survival money and not for fun .

food, electric rent etc etc
but no going to a restaurant or the movies etc

minimum wage is survival money

disgusting!!
Are you talking about today's minimum wage or some hypothetical living wage that we are debating here? If it were up to me, for jobs that fill a need, a person should make enough to manage a decent life that includes a little extra for whatever they want. We aren't talking about a great lifestyle but enough to live with dignity if that's all that a person wants to do. If a person isn't satisfied with that, then there should be educational options and there is always free enterprise. The point is to raise up wages above poverty levels without killing a person's ability to make something more if they want to.
 
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