Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

  • Yes, I believe employers should provide a living wage to their employees

    Votes: 27 48.2%

  • No, I believe wages should strictly be decided by the employer, at his/her own discretion

    Votes: 13 23.2%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 16 28.6%
  • Total voters
    56
Fogdog

Fogdog

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sheskunk said:
You can't even hold your own against ME.

lol
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Fogdog said:
skunk, I gave up on you.
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Let me clarify. We had a discussion where you told me that people should work hard and try to do better if they aren't making enough. Also that employers should pay whatever they want. Also that you'd sell your daughter into prostitution if she didn't measure up. While this all seems a bit extreme, you stood fast on this. OK, we don't have anything more to discuss....unless... you are willing to bring interesting information to the table.

For example, I dug up something on Denmark that shows other systems can work. How about if you do a little homework rather than tell me what you think and that's it? Make this interesting and I'll talk. But rebut whatever I bring to this forum with, "harrumph, what I think is..." with no backup no real ideas.

Fuck that. I'm not interested in hearing you regurgitate your stale thoughts.
 
TheHermit

TheHermit

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I don't get why people get so upset at the thought of a fast food or retail worker making a livable wage. How does that affect you? Or do you just take joy in the misery of others?
 
G

Glaucoma

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bearkat42 said:
It's simple, those who get upset at this would then have to admit that fast food workers make as much as they do. They'd have no one to "look down" on.
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A bit cynical, but probably not too far off. I think it has more to do with "If they make the same as I do now.. do I get a raise for having X skill set?"

.. and it's a fair question that ripples all the way through the working class.

Having a no to that answer isn't an entirely bad thing IMO, at least not in the long run. It could equate to people going to, say, a vocational school not for the money necessarily, but because it interests them enough to do so. People who enjoy their work are more productive, will advance faster, make greater contributions, etc etc.

Combine living wages with free education and I might nut myself.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
That right there is the inherent problem with capitalism; it insists you produce more than you take home.. produce more than you take home... by it's nature, in order for it to function. So what is it called when your labor produces $30, your employer gives you $10 and keeps the $20 your labor produced for the business that day? Well, what's it called if you have $30 and I take $20 from you? That's called theft, right? Somehow theses people think it's somehow different when the starving guy signs a contract making it legally OK (not morally) to steal from you just so he's not starving anymore..

Interesting..
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Can you describe the difference between a mutual agreement and theft? Here, let me help...

If a person grows a plant, lets say oh I don't know maybe Cannabis. They trim it up and get 4 ounces of fine weed. It cost them say $100 to produce this weed. They then sell you an ounce for $200, which you voluntarily agree to. Were you robbed? Should the producer of the weed be forced to sell you an ounce for $25 which was his cost?

You then divide the ounce into 1/8ths, because you are a small time ahem "drug dealer" . You sell each 1/8 for $40, except the last one, which you smoke feverishly while posting comments to an internet pot site.
That leaves you with $280 and a small pile of roaches from your initial $200. Did you rob people of the money you made if everyone of the people that bought an 1/8th from you did so on a voluntary basis?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
Wtf does Putin have anything to do with anything in this conversation? You do exactly what the other critics do, bring up Hillary, bring up Al Gore, bring up Al Sharpton.. Why can't you ever stay on the actual topic that's being discussed? Why do you insist on creating straw men and attempt to argue with that?

Do you believe it's perfectly OK that .7% of the population of the world controls 41% of the wealth?
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Do you believe that an even smaller percent of the population (government officials) control nearly ALL of the land mass and subsequently the serfs that occupy it?

Wealth by itself is not a good or bad thing. If a person acquires wealth thru just means, you and I have no claim on it.
Would you have all the men hung like stallions slice a couple of inches off, so the ones hung like gnats can feel better?
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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TheHermit said:
I don't get why people get so upset at the thought of a fast food or retail worker making a livable wage. How does that affect you? Or do you just take joy in the misery of others?
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How does it affect me? I want a $7 hamburger basket with fries, not a $15 basket. Am I supposed to be financially miserable because you think The Man should pay someone more than what they're worth?

Someone needs to take an economics and business class and if they have the balls, motivation, and money, start up your own business and see what it's like.
 
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sheskunk

sheskunk

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Fogdog said:
Let me clarify. We had a discussion where you told me that people should work hard and try to do better if they aren't making enough. Also that employers should pay whatever they want. Also that you'd sell your daughter into prostitution if she didn't measure up. While this all seems a bit extreme, you stood fast on this. OK, we don't have anything more to discuss....unless... you are willing to bring interesting information to the table.

For example, I dug up something on Denmark that shows other systems can work. How about if you do a little homework rather than tell me what you think and that's it? Make this interesting and I'll talk. But rebut whatever I bring to this forum with, "harrumph, what I think is..." with no backup no real ideas.

Fuck that. I'm not interested in hearing you regurgitate your stale thoughts.
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Does my pay stub count?
 
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