Organic vs. Synthetic (Cleaner High)

[Rrog]

The dumping of microbes does not mean microbes will grow

Chem ferts or bottle feeding yield to unemployed microbes

 

[chuck estevez]

Based on what I have read in this thread, I think my perception that my organic weed produces a cleaner high than the synthetic stuff I've grown in the past likely speaks to the fact that I'm getting plants closer to their genetic potential with organics than I did with synthetics. My synthetic nute grows were indoors and my organic have been under the sun, so differences in light quality could also factor in. Anyway, I appreciated all thoughts.

GEE, no duh, nothing beats the sun, and with full uv I am sure you notice a difference in highs between indo and outdo.

 

[Darth Vapour]

Based on what I have read in this thread, I think my perception that my organic weed produces a cleaner high than the synthetic stuff I've grown in the past likely speaks to the fact that I'm getting plants closer to their genetic potential with organics than I did with synthetics. My synthetic nute grows were indoors and my organic have been under the sun, so differences in light quality could also factor in. Anyway, I appreciated all thoughts.

Or your just becoming a better grower you ever think of that ???

 

[Darth Vapour]

The dumping of microbes does not mean microbes will grow

Chem ferts or bottle feeding yield to unemployed microbes

No but what it means is and you can look at many organic grows mid way its out of what microbes feed on Nitrogen ,, Hence the crave for tea brewing , top dressing if its a true organic grown ... you do not see issues like that hell i go choke cherry picking in the wild and other berries them plants untouched by MAN and there looking mighty fine compared to weed grown with the wide variety of who claims there grow is organic

 

[hyroot]

lol dam i wonder then why everyone


OK what n the fuck did i just read i think i just found my signature lmfn@off

its factual. If you think any different you are not very bright. Everyone knows about the flushing part. There's 100's of studies on how detrimental chemical fertilizer grown plants for human consumption can be.. They're pretty easy to find. Just a few months ago in Co a few cannabis grows were quarantined for the chemical fertz they were using.

 

[Rrog]

Microbes don't eat N

 

[chuck estevez]

@hyroot, please explain the difference between organic and synthetic IRON, COPPER,BORON,NICKEL.......etc

then please explain how the plant knows the difference between organic or synthetic NPK, thanksView attachment 3415995

GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION @hyroot ?

 

[Darth Vapour]

Factual >>???? no i really suggest you do some reading there son maybe start in the newbie section seriously

 

[Darth Vapour]

Microbes don't eat N

Although they release nutrients they also need nutrients to survive Organic material provides food for organisms in the form of carbon and nitrogen. As described earlier, bacteria use carbon for energy and protein to grow and reproduce. Carbon and nitrogen levels vary with each organic material. Carbon-rich materials tend to be dry and brown such as leaves, straw, and wood chips. Nitrogen materials tend to be wet and green such as fresh grass clippings and food waste. A tip for estimating an organic material’s carbon/nitrogen content is to remember that fresh, juicy materials are usually higher in nitrogen and will decompose more quickly than older, drier, and woodier tissues that are high in carbon.

Losses of Nitrogen from the Soil

• Denitrification: Conversion of nitrate to atmospheric forms of nitrogen
• Volatilization: Loss of gaseous ammonia to the atmosphere
• Run-off
• Leaching
• Consumption by plants and other organisms

i really like the very last word ^^^^ Nitrogen is also lossed in soil from other organisms
Rrog would you know the percentage of loss of N due to microbiology in soils

But for hyroot how in the hell does Nitrogen get lost from soil LEACHING NO fucking way if we think inside that little bubble in your head this is not the case its the salts that get LEACHED hahaha
tell me something what are salts and what are nutrients

 

[hyroot]

Factual >>???? no i really suggest you do some reading there son maybe start in the newbie section seriously

lmao . Some people are so clueless. You darn trolls. You will argue and demean anyone no matter how wrong you are. I have to go to work. Good day there youngin

 

[chuck estevez]

and I said,LOL

go ahead, ignore my questions. Wonder why you do that?

 

[Yodaweed]

A 2012 meta-analysis of data from 240 studies concluded that organic fruits and vegetables were, on average, no more nutritious than their cheaper conventional counterparts; nor were they less likely to be contaminated by pathogenic bacteria like E. coli or salmonella – a finding that surprised even the researchers. “When we began this project,” said Dena Bravata, one of the researchers, “we thought that there would likely be some findings that would support the superiority of organics over conventional
Many people purchase organic foods in order to avoid exposure to harmful levels of pesticides. But that is a poor rationale. While non-organic fruits and vegetables had more pesticide residue, the levels in more than 99% of cases did not cross the conservative safety thresholds set by regulators.

Moreover, the vast majority of the pesticidal substances found on produce occur “naturally” in people’s diets, through organic and conventional foods. The biochemist Bruce Ames and his colleagues have found that “99.99% (by weight) of the pesticides in the American diet are chemicals that plants produce to defend themselves. Only 52 natural pesticides have been tested in high-dose animal cancer tests, and about half (27) are rodent carcinogens; these 27 are shown to be present in many common foods.”

The bottom line is that natural chemicals are just as likely as synthetic versions to test positive in animal cancer studies, and “at the low doses of most human exposures, the comparative hazards of synthetic pesticide residues are insignificant.” In other words, consumers who buy expensive organic foods in order to avoid pesticide exposure are focusing their attention on 0.01% of the pesticides that they consume.

Ironically, in both Europe and North America, the designation “organic” is itself a synthetic bureaucratic construct – and it makes little sense. It prohibits the use of synthetic chemical pesticides, with some pragmatic exceptions. For example, the EU’s policy notes that “foreseen flexibility rules” can compensate for “local climatic, cultural, or structural differences.” When suitable alternatives are lacking, some (strictly enumerated) synthetic chemicals are allowed.

Similarly, in the US, there is a lengthy list of specific exceptions to the prohibitions. But most “natural” pesticides – as well as pathogen-laden animal excreta, for use as fertilizer – are permitted.

Another rationale for buying organic is that it is supposedly better for the natural environment. But the low yields of organic agriculture in real-world settings – typically 20-50% below yields from conventional agriculture – impose various stresses on farmland and increase water consumption substantially. According to a recent British meta-analysis, ammonia emissions, nitrogen leaching, and nitrous-oxide emissions per unit of output were higher in organic systems than in conventional agriculture, as were land use and the potential for eutrophication – adverse ecosystem responses to the addition of fertilizers and wastes – and acidification.

An anomaly of how “organic” is defined is that the designation does not actually focus on the food’s quality, composition, or safety. Rather, it comprises a set of acceptable practices and procedures that a farmer intends to use. For example, chemical pesticide or pollen from genetically engineered plants wafting from an adjacent field onto an organic crop does not affect the harvest’s status. EU rules are clear that food may be labeled as organic as long as “the ingredients containing [genetically modified organisms] entered the products unintentionally” and amount to less than 0.9% of their content.

Finally, many who are seduced by the romance of organic farming ignore its human consequences. American farmer Blake Hurst offers this reminder: “Weeds continue to grow, even in polycultures with holistic farming methods, and, without pesticides, hand weeding is the only way to protect a crop.” The backbreaking drudgery of hand weeding often falls to women and children.

Of course, organic products should be available for people who feel that they must have and can afford them. But the simple truth is that buying non-organic is far more cost-effective, more humane, and more environmentally responsible.


Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/henry-i--miller-exposes-the-disappointing-truth-about-organic-agriculture#0xkVf8fksJTS7ifC.99

Who smokes their food? I notice a huge different in chemical vs organic buds.

 

[greasemonkeymann]

My favorite video, IT's The same damn banana,lol

Ahhh Chuck, my friend, not this one again...
it's a COMEDY show, EDITED... do you think that if they had done that a hundred times and got it 50/50 that they'd show that? They were editing to prove their point, hardly scientific... (keep in mind I LOVE that show and have watched every single one)
but they wouldn't have a show if it wasn't contrarian.
It' is true for fruits, i admit, I give them that, I can hardly tell the difference between store-bought organics and non-organics.
BUT, compare my homegrown organic tomatoes and strawberries to the store-bought and mine are tons better, not even comparable, sure I understand you pick them at different times, which of course can effect taste, but still.
Now... not to toot my own horn, but I've smoked a lot of club pot, mostly because i'm looking for strains (always), and my herb is WAY better than the stuff I've seen at multiple clubs, santa cruz, capitola, san jose, etc, We have good herb here, but mine is better. I've smoked and grown out probably 30 different strains, and soil grown organic comes out better, in my opinion. Even if it didn't i'd still go organic, cancer freaks me out..
Conversely, I admit I have smoked some veeeerrrry good hydro herb, but it's rare, and for every good hydro I sample, there are 15-20 bad ones..
Some hydro guys have their craft down though, almost exclusively the ones that understand that light-feeding gets better results.

 

[Yodaweed]

Ahhh Chuck, my friend, not this one again...
it's a COMEDY show, EDITED... do you think that if they had done that a hundred times and got it 50/50 that they'd show that? They were editing to prove their point, hardly scientific... (keep in mind I LOVE that show and have watched every single one)
but they wouldn't have a show if it wasn't contrarian.
It' is true for fruits, i admit, I give them that, I can hardly tell the difference between store-bought organics and non-organics.
BUT, compare my homegrown organic tomatoes and strawberries to the store-bought and mine are tons better, not even comparable, sure I understand you pick them at different times, which of course can effect taste, but still.
Now... not to toot my own horn, but I've smoked a lot of club pot, mostly because i'm looking for strains (always), and my herb is WAY better than the stuff I've seen at multiple clubs, santa cruz, capitola, san jose, etc, We have good herb here, but mine is better. I've smoked and grown out probably 30 different strains, and soil grown organic comes out better, in my opinion. Even if it didn't i'd still go organic, cancer freaks me out..
Conversely, I admit I have smoked some veeeerrrry good hydro herb, but it's rare, and for every good hydro I sample, there are 15-20 bad ones..
Some hydro guys have their craft down though, almost exclusively the ones that understand that light-feeding gets better results.

That's because hydro is so much harder to dial in, it's much more strain specific as well, since each strain feeds differently you really need to know your plants ahead of time.

 

[Rrog]

N can leach out if applied freely. Fresh Biochar will hold it, as it has Anion attraction for the first couple of years after it's charred

 

[chuck estevez]

Ahhh Chuck, my friend, not this one again...
it's a COMEDY show, EDITED... do you think that if they had done that a hundred times and got it 50/50 that they'd show that? They were editing to prove their point, hardly scientific... (keep in mind I LOVE that show and have watched every single one)
but they wouldn't have a show if it wasn't contrarian.
It' is true for fruits, i admit, I give them that, I can hardly tell the difference between store-bought organics and non-organics.
BUT, compare my homegrown organic tomatoes and strawberries to the store-bought and mine are tons better, not even comparable, sure I understand you pick them at different times, which of course can effect taste, but still.
Now... not to toot my own horn, but I've smoked a lot of club pot, mostly because i'm looking for strains (always), and my herb is WAY better than the stuff I've seen at multiple clubs, santa cruz, capitola, san jose, etc, We have good herb here, but mine is better. I've smoked and grown out probably 30 different strains, and soil grown organic comes out better, in my opinion. Even if it didn't i'd still go organic, cancer freaks me out..
Conversely, I admit I have smoked some veeeerrrry good hydro herb, but it's rare, and for every good hydro I sample, there are 15-20 bad ones..
Some hydro guys have their craft down though, almost exclusively the ones that understand that light-feeding gets better results.

Club weed is ALWAYS chit, pulled early pumped full of ppms. it's all about money. ANYONE who grows should prefer their own over others.

 

[chuck estevez]

GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION @hyroot ?

CAN ANY ONE OF YOU ORGANIC GUYS ANSWER MY QUESTIONS? since @hyroot chooses to ignore them. Thanks

 

[greasemonkeymann]

Club weed is ALWAYS chit, pulled early pumped full of ppms. it's all about money. ANYONE who grows should prefer their own over others.

sorta my point, really....
I mean.. OK, I can only think of a religious analogy...
You are like a Christian tryin to convince a muslim or an atheist or a Buddhist that Christianity is the only way to salvation.
Just leave it alone.
Want to try and convince me that I don't like slim girls with tight booties and small boobs?
Or wanna try and convince me that I don't like my carne asada seared and spicy?
Maybe tell me that high compression variable valvetrain engines aren't as cool as large-displacements...
Fords? Chevys? It's a matter of taste, if you like chem-weed, cool. Just don't make me smoke any of it.
that's my point fellas... this site kills me, a perfect example of human nature, so damn busy quarreling about incessant BS that the broader picture gets ignored or forgotten altogether..
oh well..
Tis good for a read though, you guys were busy this weekend..

 

[chuck estevez]

sorta my point, really....
I mean.. OK, I can only think of a religious analogy...
You are like a Christian tryin to convince a muslim or an atheist or a Buddhist that Christianity is the only way to salvation.
Just leave it alone.
Want to try and convince me that I don't like slim girls with tight booties and small boobs?
Or wanna try and convince me that I don't like my carne asada seared and spicy?
Maybe tell me that high compression variable valvetrain engines aren't as cool as large-displacements...
Fords? Chevys? It's a matter of taste, if you like chem-weed, cool. Just don't make me smoke any of it.
that's my point fellas... this site kills me, a perfect example of human nature, so damn busy quarreling about incessant BS that the broader picture gets ignored or forgotten altogether..
oh well..
Tis good for a read though, you guys were busy this weekend..

no, you have me all wrong, I am here simply pointing out that the organic guys, along with the led guys make wild claims and they just aren't fact, they are made up placebo,tree hugging nonsense. It is them trying to convince me that girls with huge asses are pretty.
then we find out the OP is comparing indoor to outdoor, then saying the high is different because of organics, I mean c;mon

 

[Rrog]

It's not what the ions are, it's how they're delivered. Are the microbes in charge? Not most of the time in most of the grows I read / see.