Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

[superloud]

A person would eat a moldy sandwich if they were starving too, does that mean all they deserve is the moldy sandwich?

Why do you keep avoiding the fact that the economic gains since the 70's have gone to the top individuals? That's money that has been stolen from the workers and given to the executives. Why don't you address that?

Lol That's the same example I just made if you had to eat something gross and you're hungry you would eat it.

 

[Harrekin]

I can understand me signing a contract and getting hired on at a low wage but once I prove that I am a good valuable employee then that way it should be raised to a livable wage. I understand companies don't want to just go paying anybody 1650 an hour and then come work for them and be piece of shit workers but once I prove myself then I should get paid better. My boss constantly tells me how much of an asset I am to this company and how great of a job I do but it never reflects on my page is the word that come out of his mouth.

Did your contract clearly state that in the future you would be entitled to a raise to the level you are now demanding?

 

[superloud]

And yet your nation keeps piling the regulations (which you support) on top of SMEs which perpetuates the cycle.

The boom in the US from the late forties to the early 70's was caused by the aftermath of WWII in which the only country which that still had industrial capacity and men to run them.

The change in this trend happened in the globalised economy (which you probably also adhere to) where countries with even worse conditions can use slave-factories to produce shit cheaper.

Ill ask you this and I wont get an answer...why should employees have the special right to change the terms of the contract THEY agreed to and signed?

Well the whole argument is those contracts need to be changed all together they shouldn't be changed after I sign it it should be changed before I sign it that should not be the contract that is offered but it is the contract that is offered and it is the contract that we have to take.

 

[superloud]

Did your contract clearly state that in the future you would be entitled to a raise to the level you are now demanding?

I got a question for you have you ever worked in a minimum wage paying job have you ever worked fast food or restaurant jobs or factory jobs?

 

[Harrekin]

Well the whole argument is those contracts need to be changed all together they shouldn't be changed after I sign it it should be changed before I sign it that should not be the contract that is offered but it is the contract that is offered and it is the contract that we have to take.

So you agreed to and signed a legal contract in good faith and are now trying to renege on your agreement?

 

[Padawanbater2]

And yet your nation keeps piling the regulations (which you support) on top of SMEs which perpetuates the cycle.

The boom in the US from the late forties to the early 70's was caused by the aftermath of WWII in which the only country which that still had industrial capacity and men to run them.

The change in this trend happened in the globalised economy (which you probably also adhere to) where countries with even worse conditions can use slave-factories to produce shit cheaper.

Technological advancements and globalization didn't all of a sudden happen overnight in the mid 70's, your explanation doesn't account for the sudden transfer of economic growth that took place in ~1978 and it certainly doesn't justify it. Nor does it account for the dramatic increase in top executive income (from ~25x's the average worker's income in 1970 to ~325x's the average worker's income in 2015). It's clear to anyone who reads the numbers, the growth has been stolen from the working class and transferred via legislation put in place by bought politicians to the upper class.

Ill ask you this and I wont get an answer...why should employees have the special right to change the terms of the contract THEY agreed to and signed?

Workers should have the right to a living wage, if an employer like Walmart doesn't want to pay that, they shouldn't be in business in America

 

[Harrekin]

I got a question for you have you ever worked in a minimum wage paying job have you ever worked fast food or restaurant jobs or factory jobs?

Yep, and in 12 months I'd gotten a 40% raise and a couple months after that got promoted to a junior management position because I proved myself and impressed my (then) employer.

I up skilled after that and now work for myself earning oodles of scrilla.

#Betyoufeelstupidnow

 

[Harrekin]

You're completely avoiding the Moldy fucking sandwich scenario. You ignorant prick. If all you had was that multi fucking sandwich you would eat it. Even if afterwards you were sick and throwing up and wish you didn't have to eat that sandwich you would fucking eat it again. Now come up with a logical fucking argument for that you dumbass.

So you did sign the contract in good faith and now want to breach it's terms.

Why can't you just be honest?

 

[Harrekin]

Technological advancements and globalization didn't all of a sudden happen overnight in the mid 70's, your explanation doesn't account for the sudden transfer of economic growth that took place in ~1978 and it certainly doesn't justify it. Nor does it account for the dramatic increase in top executive income (from ~25x's the average worker's income in 1970 to ~325x's the average worker's income in 2015). It's clear to anyone who reads the numbers, the growth has been stolen from the working class and transferred via legislation put in place by bought politicians to the upper class.

Workers should have the right to a living wage, if an employer like Walmart doesn't want to pay that, they shouldn't be in business in America

Ahh, so we're back to the lefty entitlement bullshit.

I think people are "entitled" to what they agreed to when they signed the contract.

 

[superloud]

Yep, and in 12 months I'd gotten a 40% raise and a couple months after that got promoted to a junior management position because I proved myself and impressed my (then) employer.

I up skilled after that and now work for myself earning oodles of scrilla.

#Betyoufeelstupidnow

No I don't feel stupid because I don't believe you I've worked at plenty of fast food places and got promotions and gotten raises but never made anywhere near a livable wage. Actually the most decent paying job I've ever had was my first job at Red Lobster I made 850 an hour plus tips every day brought home about 60 a day.

 

[Padawanbater2]

@ Harrekin Why do you keep avoiding the fact that the economic gains since the 70's have gone to the top individuals? That's money that has been stolen from the workers and given to the executives. Why don't you address that?

 

[superloud]

So you did sign the contract in good faith and now want to breach it's terms.

Why can't you just be honest?

I am being honest if you read my fucking statement I said I accepted the contract because that's the only contract available and just like the moldy sandwich situation you would accept the contract too if that's all that was available and no matter how sick you got and no matter how much you hated it you would still accept that fucking contract. But the whole time you would want that contract to be changed. And that is fact but you're ignorant so I'm done with this conversation with you.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Ahh, so we're back to the lefty entitlement bullshit.

I think people are "entitled" to what they agreed to when they signed the contract.

People are entitled to what they've earned. Executives are not entitled to steal workers earnings.

And you are entitled to suck my balls.

 

[Harrekin]

No I don't feel stupid because I don't believe you I've worked at plenty of fast food places and got promotions and gotten raises but never made anywhere near a livable wage. Actually the most decent paying job I've ever had was my first job at Red Lobster I made 850 an hour plus tips every day brought home about 60 a day.

And you'll never earn more without a marketable skill, too bad, so sad.

Got a computer?

Learn C#/Java online, play around with it, get qualified and earn some of those "high tech industry" dollars.

 

[Harrekin]

People are entitled to what they've earned. Executives are not entitled to steal workers earnings.

And you are entitled to suck my balls.

Lol, so you can't find a decent argument to refute my statements.

Why should workers get more than they agreed to when they signed the contract?

 

[Padawanbater2]

I am being honest if you read my fucking statement I said I accepted the contract because that's the only contract available and just like the moldy sandwich situation you would accept the contract too if that's all that was available and no matter how sick you got and no matter how much you hated it you would still accept that fucking contract. But the whole time you would want that contract to be changed. And that is fact but you're ignorant so I'm done with this conversation with you.

The fact he can't address that is proof he's being intellectually dishonest. Idk if you've been around the politics section for long, but that's par for the course with him. Notice how he's avoided answering my question directed at him too..

 

[Padawanbater2]

Lol, so you can't find a decent argument to refute my statements.

Why should workers get more than they agreed to when they signed the contract?

Because you would eat a moldy sandwich if you were starving

Starving people eat whatever is available. You're having a more difficult time than expected with this food analogy, should I switch it to something else so maybe you can understand a little bit better?

Why are you avoiding the fact that 93% of economic gains from worker productivity has gone to the top earners?

I know why you're avoiding it, because it's not conducive to your right wing talking points

 

[Harrekin]

@ Harrekin Why do you keep avoiding the fact that the economic gains since the 70's have gone to the top individuals? That's money that has been stolen from the workers and given to the executives. Why don't you address that?

So the owners of the company and the executives they appoint earn more than the idiot putting the fries in the bag?

Wow, ground breaking shit there.

How is the money stolen if everyone receives what they're contracted for?

 

[Rob Roy]

Walmart is just an example of all the corporations out here. Yes I could just walk away if I worked at Walmart but I would be walking away to the same exact thing at another company. It doesn't matter how many times I leave my job if all I can find is the same exact paying jobs.

Maybe you should start a business.

 

[Harrekin]

Because you would eat a moldy sandwich if you were starving

Starving people eat whatever is available. You're having a more difficult time than expected with this food analogy, should I switch it to something else so maybe you can understand a little bit better?

Why are you avoiding the fact that 93% of economic gains from worker productivity has gone to the top earners?

I know why you're avoiding it, because it's not conducive to your right wing talking points

The food analogy is ridiculous, I'd never allow myself in the situation where I need to eat a shitty mouldy sambo.