Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

  • Yes, I believe employers should provide a living wage to their employees

    Votes: 27 48.2%

  • No, I believe wages should strictly be decided by the employer, at his/her own discretion

    Votes: 13 23.2%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 16 28.6%
  • Total voters
    56
superloud

superloud

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Rob Roy said:
Maybe you should start a business.
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Well if I had money to start a business I would. I actually want to start my own home remodeling business. But to get a truck and all the tools And the time it would take to build a clientele base would be more than I can afford. People keep saying why don't you just get another job or why don't you just do this. Not everyone has the opportunity or live in a situation that allowes that to happen
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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superloud said:
Well if I had money to start a business I would. I actually want to start my own home remodeling business. But to get a truck and all the tools And the time it would take to build a clientele base would be more than I can afford. People keep saying why don't you just get another job or why don't you just do this. Not everyone has the opportunity or live in a situation that allowes that to happen
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Grow some pot...sell some pot...

You need to grow some balls, do whatever it is you need to do and stop expecting everyone else to pay for you.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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superloud said:
Well if I had money to start a business I would. I actually want to start my own home remodeling business. But to get a truck and all the tools And the time it would take to build a clientele base would be more than I can afford. People keep saying why don't you just get another job or why don't you just do this. Not everyone has the opportunity or live in a situation that allowes that to happen
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Friends of mine had their parents executed in front of them in Cambodia over 40 years ago. They came to the USA after escaping a death camp and made shit happen. Opportunity sometimes comes with perseverance and hard work.

There is always a way, I hope you find it. Peace.
 
superloud

superloud

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Rob Roy said:
Friends of mine had their parents executed in front of them in Cambodia over 40 years ago. They came to the USA after escaping a death camp and made shit happen. Opportunity sometimes comes with perseverance and hard work.

There is always a way, I hope you find it. Peace.
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Opportunity used to come to people who work hard. I'm sorry but you can not in any way shape or form say that I do not work hard. Or that the other millions of Americans in my position do not work hard. It just doesn't matter anymore how loyal you are to your company you can work for a company for 8 years working hard making them money and you will never make it anywhere anymore.
 
superloud

superloud

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Rob Roy said:
Friends of mine had their parents executed in front of them in Cambodia over 40 years ago. They came to the USA after escaping a death camp and made shit happen. Opportunity sometimes comes with perseverance and hard work.

There is always a way, I hope you find it. Peace.
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And opportunities come a lot quicker for immigrants then they do Americans by the way.
 
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CC Dobbs

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Padawanbater2 said:
Not if the idiot reading the definition out of the fuckin' dictionary can't comprehend what it means
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Your skill as a discussion leader is very sad. You are a whiny person with no interest in discussion unless it falls into a extremely narrow window representing the breadth of understanding. and imagination.

I will truly enjoy visiting your threads and offering a different opinion than you are capable of comprehending. Fun for all.
 
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god1

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superloud said:
Walmart is just an example of all the corporations out here. Yes I could just walk away if I worked at Walmart but I would be walking away to the same exact thing at another company. It doesn't matter how many times I leave my job if all I can find is the same exact paying jobs.
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SuperL,

I have to apologize, there's a lot of conversations going on in this thread so I'm not familiar with your story. I was posting to Pad, but I'm glad you responded.

From reading some of your responses forward, I assuming that retail and a job at Walmart wouldn't be your first choice, but it's a job and helps with your current obligations.

I'm going to try and express something that others have touched on but maybe with a different twist, hopefully it'll come out and maybe will be useful.

Working for wages is "fucked". It doesn't matter if you're making a "bizzilion" or five bucks/hr, you will always be dependent on the hiring entity.

The conversation that London and Pan are having, although about wages, is structurally different then the conversation Pad started. The Lond/Pan discussion will default to business models of the individual owners ... London and Pan. Pad's discussion is about manipulating business owners into modifying their business plans to "accommodate" his philosophical beliefs.

Think of it this way, Pad's methodology doesn't "unshackle" you, it just re-positions the binders. If you want the freedom to make choices ultimately you want to be in the position of London/Pan.

I'm assuming you're young and just starting off. Things can often look bleak, it always helps to have a plan. We were all young once and had to figure stuff out.

Look, wages are a stepping stone, collect skills that will move you higher in wages. Develop an identity, you won't be successful if you don't know who you are.

Ultimately the only way you will be able to demand/bargain for hire wages is if you have a skill people are willing to pay for. Figure out who and what you want; then go after it with a vengeance. There is nothing like the high as your first negotiation for a service you uniquely provide.

Long term goal, "diversify". Not only for income, but for the ability to mitigate loss. The tax code is a great tool, understand how it works. Of course if you work solely for wages it's not of much use.

Good luck to you.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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god1 said:
SuperL,

I have to apologize, there's a lot of conversations going on in this thread so I'm not familiar with your story. I was posting to Pad, but I'm glad you responded.



Long term goal, "diversify". Not only for income, but for the ability to mitigate loss. The tax code is a great tool, understand how it works. Of course if you work solely for wages it's not of much use.

Good luck to you.
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Totally fair. :wall:
 
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NoDrama

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Padawanbater2 said:
You haven't exposed shit. You came into this thread and automatically started defending Walmart, saying that it's illegal not to steal as much money as possible from the workers and give it to the shareholders, and that's the CEO's and other exec's jobs, and fuck the employees

The reason corporations like Walmart get away with this shit is because they have retards like you defending them, and more often than not, those same retards are the ones who get hurt the most by it
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I actually didn't say any of those things, If I did you would quote them. I said that CEO's of corporations have a responsibility under THE LAW that forces them to make decisions which negatively affect US Employment.


Min Wage is so that you can get your foot in the door and learn some skills or at the very least try and prove your worth to get a raise.

Livable wage is a laugh. If Min wage isn't enough to live on, them how come most min wage workers don't die off after a year or two? It OBVIOUSLY MUST BE enough to live on, there are millions of min wage workers and they are all still alive. Must have all the basic necessities with their min wage. They ARE living after all.

Your dreams of living a middle class lifestyle while putting forth min wage effort will never happen. A system like that always destroys itself because it cannot coincide with human nature. The only real lasting system makes humans compete for resources, just like nature itself. Or did you think mankind was something beyond natural and therefore the rules don't apply to us?
 
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spandy

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superloud said:
Well if I had money to start a business I would. I actually want to start my own home remodeling business. But to get a truck and all the tools And the time it would take to build a clientele base would be more than I can afford. People keep saying why don't you just get another job or why don't you just do this. Not everyone has the opportunity or live in a situation that allowes that to happen
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Most people who start businesses don't have the money. That's why you start small and build. Offer simple services, save that coin to buy more tools and materials. I started mine with a few hundred bucks and it took many years to get my feet under me.

Start by washing windows or something (good money, super cheap to get into), and hit them up along the way for everything else you noticed they need fixing.

Opportunities are created, not stumbled upon.
 
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spandy

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Harrekin said:
Grow some pot...sell some pot...

You need to grow some balls, do whatever it is you need to do and stop expecting everyone else to pay for you.
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That's just it though. People want it all now, even the entrepreneurs. No one wants to start with a name tag and a polo shirt banging on doors, they want some big ass brick and mortar right on the main drag with a full parking lot, customer appreciation bbq going on in the back and their ass walking around telling everyone that works there what to do as they plan to take the rest of the day off to go fishing in their new boat.
 
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NoDrama

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Rob Roy said:
Friends of mine had their parents executed in front of them in Cambodia over 40 years ago. They came to the USA after escaping a death camp and made shit happen. Opportunity sometimes comes with perseverance and hard work.

There is always a way, I hope you find it. Peace.
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Opportunity looks a lot like work and often wears overalls.
 
theexpress

theexpress

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NoDrama said:
I actually didn't say any of those things, If I did you would quote them. I said that CEO's of corporations have a responsibility under THE LAW that forces them to make decisions which negatively affect US Employment.


Min Wage is so that you can get your foot in the door and learn some skills or at the very least try and prove your worth to get a raise.

Livable wage is a laugh. If Min wage isn't enough to live on, them how come most min wage workers don't die off after a year or two? It OBVIOUSLY MUST BE enough to live on, there are millions of min wage workers and they are all still alive. Must have all the basic necessities with their min wage. They ARE living after all.

Your dreams of living a middle class lifestyle while putting forth min wage effort will never happen. A system like that always destroys itself because it cannot coincide with human nature. The only real lasting system makes humans compete for resources, just like nature itself. Or did you think mankind was something beyond natural and therefore the rules don't apply to us?
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They don't die off because they huddle together in small apartments split at least two ways on rent.
 
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NoDrama

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spandy said:
That's just it though. People want it all now, even the entrepreneurs. No one wants to start with a name tag and a polo shirt banging on doors, they want some big ass brick and mortar right on the main drag with a full parking lot, customer appreciation bbq going on in the back and their ass walking around telling everyone that works their what to do as they take the rest of the day off to go fishing in their new boat.
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Dude, seriously, one of my brothers and I used to run a brick and mortar business on main street in the downtown area. The day of a big car show where they curtain off the streets, we had "Customer Appreciation day" coincide with this event. We had real KC BBQ, in the back. Parking lot was actually overfull and it was the best single day of business we ever had. $4,800 in sales $1,800 in pure profit. Worked my ass off helping people and answering questions. My brother pretty much ran the register. We hired a guy to cook the BBQ for $150. It drummed up a bunch of future business for us too. I sold my half to my brother for $300,000 and that's when I started farming.

You were spot on.
 
superloud

superloud

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god1 said:
SuperL,

I have to apologize, there's a lot of conversations going on in this thread so I'm not familiar with your story. I was posting to Pad, but I'm glad you responded.

From reading some of your responses forward, I assuming that retail and a job at Walmart wouldn't be your first choice, but it's a job and helps with your current obligations.

I'm going to try and express something that others have touched on but maybe with a different twist, hopefully it'll come out and maybe will be useful.

Working for wages is "fucked". It doesn't matter if you're making a "bizzilion" or five bucks/hr, you will always be dependent on the hiring entity.

The conversation that London and Pan are having, although about wages, is structurally different then the conversation Pad started. The Lond/Pan discussion will default to business models of the individual owners ... London and Pan. Pad's discussion is about manipulating business owners into modifying their business plans to "accommodate" his philosophical beliefs.

Think of it this way, Pad's methodology doesn't "unshackle" you, it just re-positions the binders. If you want the freedom to make choices ultimately you want to be in the position of London/Pan.

I'm assuming you're young and just starting off. Things can often look bleak, it always helps to have a plan. We were all young once and had to figure stuff out.

Look, wages are a stepping stone, collect skills that will move you higher in wages. Develop an identity, you won't be successful if you don't know who you are.

Ultimately the only way you will be able to demand/bargain for hire wages is if you have a skill people are willing to pay for. Figure out who and what you want; then go after it with a vengeance. There is nothing like the high as your first negotiation for a service you uniquely provide.

Long term goal, "diversify". Not only for income, but for the ability to mitigate loss. The tax code is a great tool, understand how it works. Of course if you work solely for wages it's not of much use.

Good luck. toyou..

See I do have skill I am a labor I get stuff done the problem is this country does not think that my skill of working and running the backbone Of this country is worth as much as the number Crunchers sitting at the top. I have all kinds of skill in the labour industry I can build houses I can do floor work cabinets I've worked in customer service industries I am a very very nice person very outgoing and easy to get along with I actually make tips when I worked at McDonalds. But a computer person I am NOT. That's just not me I'm not a computer tech but that's what pays. And you need my job just as much as you need the computer techs job. I've been working for about 12 years now and I've made it nowhere no matter how hard I work.
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NoDrama

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Life is only worth living because of the fight.

There is a heaven, it's called life.

The sweet is not as sweet without the sour.
 
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